Dear The Surb, re: pchaos kidding about the rape stuff.
No, he’s serious. Please see above.
Cheers!
It’s definitely rape month.
Is that because the definition of rape has been expanded to include things like date rape?
There is a power issue to it, the ability to violate another body and also have that person many times live thinking they did something wrong, and often the victim bears this in silence.
But as it seems the definition of rape has broadened to the point that clarification of what happened needs to be asked when someone says they were raped, and that broadened definition could include sex with out much power.
Infants and children are under the age of 30, so this stat doesn’t support the claim about the vast majority of rape victims being in their 20’s.
Please take a look at this post I wrote in a past thread that touched upon rape. Girls below the age of 11 are at greater risk of rape than adult women. It’s easy to conclude otherwise when just look at prevalence, but for a more meaningful analysis, you have to take into account the length of time an adult spends at risk of rape compared to a child. When you control for the multiple decades worth of exposure that adults have relative to kids less than a decade old, it’s more obvious that kids are at greater risk of being victimized.
So really there is no basis for saying that rapists preferentially attack women of childbearing age. Which seems to be the premise the OP derives his conclusion.
There are people out there who would orgasm over both actions. Pretty sick.
Actually, a good deal of the time the rapist doesn’t come at all. Cite.
Regards,
Shodan
I don’t think its a secret at all.
This is starting to go over the line, pchaos. Your posts of late have been very close to seeming like trolling. Knock off the reactionary posts.
It seems to me that generalizing about rape as about power or sexual gratification is intellectually lazy and dangerous. Both are going to play a part in different proportions in different situations. Why do we see this sort of discussion with a crime like rape, but we don’t people trying to lump all murders or all thefts as having a single motivation in all cases? The motivations for crimes will be different in different circumstances and trying to act like it’s always going to be the same is what makes it lazy.
But I’m more concerned about the dangerous implications of it. A guy who takes advantage of a drunk girl is probably a lot more motivated by sexual gratitifcation than power, whereas the recent incident in India is very much the opposite. Yes they’re both rape, but they’re as different as say someone who kills another person upon finding he’s being cheated on, or killing them in committing another crime. It’s this sort of thinking that gets us such a bizarre phrase as “rape rape”, as if non-violent rape isn’t really rape.
It’s also dangerous because of a lot of the thought processes illustrated by the OP. Sure, some men might do it because of low self esteem or some biological urge or whatever. But there’s plenty of cases where that isn’t true. At it’s core, rape is a form of violence that is manifest in a sexual way. And in just the same way that a man might rape a women because she won’t voluntarily have sex with him, another man might beat the hell out of her, and they’re both of the same motivation. Or you might see the exact opposite where someone is trying to exert power over another, as in a lot of prison dramas, they might use the threat or act of rape to exert power on other prisoners or they might use the threat or act of a beating to exert power. In the end, both parts play a role, since sex of some sort is necessarily involved in rape and exertion power is part of most criminal acts.
Regardless, you’re not going to have a one-size-fits-all explanation for it any more than you would for any other criminal acts that people do.
Happy [del]Valentine’s[/del] Rape Day everyone!
“Infants and children are under the age of 30, so this stat doesn’t support the claim about the vast majority of rape victims being in their 20’s.”
You are mistating what the OP said which was "teenage girls and women in their 20s. "
According to RAINN, 44% of victims are under the age of 18.
“Knowing this, why do some women let it all hang out? Isn’t that like saying, come and get me you animal?”
No, it is nothing at all like saying that.
I see that.
Godammit! Now I am outraged, properly!
This still doesn’t alllow us to infer that rapists preferentially target teenagers and 20-somethings.
OP, here, Let Me Google That For You.
Do you feel that date rape isn’t ‘real’ rape?
Interesting, and noted. I was just snarkily stating that the sexual component cannot be discounted, but at the same time neither should the power aspect.
I just want to say that as offensive as statements like this are to women, it is also offensive to men. [preemptive note that I did not say “just as”]
Ha! It’s like the GOP rape fiasco, in reverse.
You fell asleep in biology class, didn’t you?
Note that a substantial portion of those are children, however.
Here’s a blog post with links to studies that show that the rates are at the very least no lower than from consensual sex, and may be higher for varied reasons. The RAINN link doesn’t really refute the idea that pregnancy from rape occurs more often than consensual sex, it simply uses the average rate from consensual sex to estimate the number of pregnancies from rape.
From the link:
Where do I start? Although it’s interesting (not really) that a sample of rape victims were more likely than the general female population to experience pregnancy within the last year, that should not lead us to infer that their pregancies was caused by rape. These women might be more likely to be in sexual relationships than their non-raped counterparts or less likely to be on birth control. The same factors that put them at risk for rape might also increase their risk of pregnancy.
The last sentence on the blog reads thusly: