Your posts are my cite.
What laws are being talked about exactly?
And for those that think reassignment surgery is wrong or should not be allowed, why do you care exactly? I mean how does it effect you?
How does an bulemic making herself vomit affect me? Yet we still don’t want to enable that, do we?
Lots of people want circumcision banned, but how does it really affect them? how does someone else circumcizing their son affect you?
People are having healthy body parts removed because they refuse to accept what they were born as.
Would you have no objections to people getting healthy limbs amputed ? If they feel like doing it, they should be allowed to, and doctors should do it? Funny, the same people who seem to support these unecessary surgeries are the same people who love running every aspect of other people’s lives, like smoking, how big of a soda they can buy, etc…
And in the future, it WILL affect other people very directly beyond the deteroriation of medical ethics. THe cost will be on the taxpayers in a more socialized system. I’m going to have to pay for someone’s needless surgery, their needless hormones.
The laws I’m referring to are the anti “discrimination” laws that protect trans people. So if you own property, have a public bathroom, you can have the hell sued out of you if you refuse to let someone with a penis use the woman’s bathroom.
Given most M to F trans people look and sound like men in wigs, it’s not very hard to tell. The Adam’s apple is a dead giveaway.
SO they can have surgery to reduce the adam’s apple? Great, more unecessary elective surgery to remove more healthy body parts.
Nothing mentally defective about that at all :rolleyes:
Someone circumcizing their son doesn’t affect me/us, but it is a grievous and illogical alteration of “their” child’s body and that concerns many of us.
Could you be more obvious? It drips from every post you’ve made, and is demonstrable by the fact you refuse to address any refutation of your canned talking points.
How very strange.
You’re either just not getting it or on a crusade. It’s already been demonstrated that regardless of the root cause, the best and most effective way to relieve the suffering of transsexuals is normally counseling, hormones, and SRS. Thus by definition they’re not “needless.” Since you categorically refuse to address that, and have ducked and weaved around telling us what is the more effective treatment in your World Order, it’s clear that you’re just someone who came here to spread their screed of hate. I can guess from where.
You also don’t seem in the least bit upset about the fact that insurance and government-funded health care already cover the results of unnecessary behaviors such as failure to exercise, smoking, overeating, drug abuse, and risky athletic behavior. But you have this serious woody about gender dysphoria, which I think most would agree is a more serious and less in-control situation than most, if not all, of the aforementioned.
Huh.
Good. To quote John McLaughlin, “ISSUE 2! …”
And what the holy fuck do you think happens in women’s toilets? There aren’t any urinals in there; no prizes for guessing why not…women sit…in…wait for it…stalls. With doors and everything! Where no one can see anything outside of ankles. And here’s the funny thing about us women, when we’re done with our business and we leave the stall, we already have our clothing back on! I reckon this must be very different than the gents’ toilets you frequent, where men apparently cavort and caper around with their tighty-whiteys about their ankles and their penises at half-mast (or full; I don’t judge), but guess what, that doesn’t happen in women’s toilets.
So how do these scandalized phallophobic women you put on airs that you’re protecting know who does and doesn’t have a penis?
I’ll wager you’ve never met a transsexual outside of net porn. I also find it odd you’re fixated exclusively on transwomen in your inflammatory posts. You seem completely ignorant of or are deliberately excluding the fact that transmen also have surgery to “remove perfectly working body parts.”
You refused to address the point earlier about other cosmetic surgery.
You seem to be a person who is very fixated on genitalia. I don’t think anyone here has the time nor the professional qualifications to figure out why, nor does anyone here know if they should be waving and exclaiming “hi, nonnies!” at this point. Perhaps things will develop as we go on.
Like gender reassignment surgery? except far far less extreme?
Do I have to do the whole hormones and dressing like a woman thing to be considered transgender, or can I just say I’m transgender, and go about business as usual? There are plenty of non transgender women who look manly and dress like men, but they are women and are called women. Does one have to play the role? Or can I force people to accept I’m a woman, but still go about my business like I always have? So to use a woman’s bathroom as a transperson, do I have to dress in a dress? If so, why are women who wear pants allowed in a woman’s bathroom?
How much do you have to do to be transgendered?
I’m sorry; I didn’t make myself clear. The decision should be the individual’s.
Each time one of us is born we are a little different from the rest. This use to be necessary for our development as a species.
If the difference was significant and “undesirable”, we were naturally programmed to avoid the individual so they didn’t have the opportunity to affect the gene pool. The difference may have been a physical defect or behaviour unacceptable to the rest of the community.
This safeguard has been frustrated, however as we have become “civilized” and more compassionate towards those we see as less fortunate than or different to us.
The important thing is, not that they conform to our idea of normal, but that they should be able to enjoy their lives as they see fit.
The decisions they make will only affect them and they should be free to make them.
I’m puzzled by your name. Is it Steve Nova or Steven Ova? The latter would make things very intriguing…
Are you differentiating between that which is with that person’s consent, and that which is without?
The ignorance, it burns.
stevenova, you obviously have confused tranvestitism with transsexualism (look them up), don’t know the difference between gender and social norms regarding clothing, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. I’m not sure I care to take the time to chip away at your mountain of ignorance. You are operating from a position of unwarranted assumptions and show no signs of desiring to actually learn something.
And, since you seem to be a man, please STFU about who is and isn’t allowed to use to women’s public bathrooms as you have no personal interest in the matter and thus should not be allowed to dictate the rules. Although I agree you are also woefully ignorant about the toilet activities which, not too surprisingly, concern pissing and shitting rather than inspecting other peoples’ genitals (though I hear that occasionally goes on in certain men’s toilets, which may be where you’re getting this from. I suggest you avoid airport and rest stop toilets containing Congressmen and you’ll be OK).
I mean, heavens, I have been in close promixity to a human penis before, I didn’t faint or anything. For Og’s sake, next you’ll be suggesting that my spouse and I use separate toilets at home, lest we get cross-gender cooties or something. :rolleyes:
So no doubt you are opposed to mandatory vaccinations, right?
Different topic entirely-nice try, though. Comparing giving a vaccination to an unconcenting child to an adult seeking out gender reassignment surgery is akin to comparing apples and an orange-coloured F-16.
edited to add: Just so’s you know, these arguments you are parroting have been done to death here. We’ve been to those websites and read the literature, so if your goal here is to trip us up with wordgames just stop wasting your time-it ain’t gonna work.
What does everyone think about hormone therapy starting before puberty?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90273278
I have to admit this makes me uneasy, I could easily see some kid permanently changed because of Munchausen by proxy etc. I imagine there are plenty of children who changed their mind later on too about gender identity.
I wouldn’t use the term hormone therapy. That generally describes hormone replacement therapy. I’d call this hormone blocking. I think care should be used before it is started. However, it does no lasting harm. If the patient decides ‘golly gee! I was wrong about having GID’ then you take them off the blockers and they undergo puberty.
It’s a controversial subject even among transsexuals and the transgendered. On the one hand, adequately recognizing gender dysphoria before puberty starts can seriously improve the quality of life of a trans youth, often setting them up for being able to fully transition and “pass” seamlessly. Every result I’ve seen has been phenomenal.
On the other hand, there are legitimate concerns about being able to adequately diagnose serious and real gender dysphoria in youth. I believe that the chance of regrets and reversals is significantly higher than for adult transsexuals, but it has not been an area of focus for me (yet).
The last I heard, Munchhausen By Proxy isn’t really a danger here, because the gatekeeping is quite strict.
Assuming you live in the US, every other country has far lower per capita costs for medicine anyway (the cost in taxation plus the cost of full coverage with no copay on Bupa amounts to less than the per capita cost in the US). You could do with a more socialist attitude to medicine.
Now taxpayers get to pay for it
Hurray for taxes?