The double standard is some lib-tard utopia unrealistic dream that can not really exist, so theirs is the only real way, so no double standard, just a dose of reality.
I don’t think that black voters are so much better than white voters; there just aren’t enough of them to elect a black President Trump. Black voters vote for black candidates a lot more automatically than white voters vote for white candidates, but that’s not enough to swing a Presidential election.
Much of the reason why Trump is President is that black voters didn’t vote for the less corrupt of the two major candidates - they stayed home and didn’t vote at all.
Regards,
Shodan
Do you have a cite for this? From the data I’ve seen, blacks voters overwhelmingly vote for Democrats over Republicans regardless of race – for example, overwhelmingly supporting Barbara Mikulsky (white) in MD when her opponent was Alan Keyes (black).
Pfft. Facts. Who needs 'em?
What is the evidence that only a white male with Trump’s character deficiencies could get elected?
Marion Barry got reelected despite serving prison time for smoking crack. Alcee Hastings was elected to Congress despite being impeached for bribery and perjury.
Oh please
As to the double standard, I have a friend who is a lifelong Republican, from New York, who now lives in Florida. She despises Trump, for all the reasons you’d expect. She is a reasonable, intelligent person, but for the purposes of this thread offers purely anecdotal evidence. That being said, I suspect there are many more like her, so my answer is yes, some are capable of seeing it. And one thing to keep in mind as far as the election. If the Democrats take Florida, they need only flip one more of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, or Wisconsin, all states where Trump has a negative approval rating. If they don’t take Florida it gets harder of course, but we don’t need huge amounts of Republicans to see him for as he is and abandon him.
Capable of seeing Trump in a negative way? Some of the examples and arguments seem to be about this. Plenty of people who voted and are likely to vote for Trump don’t see him positively, but as lesser of evils. You can go on a tangent where the politically righteous morally judge such a decision if you like. It’s just pretty simple to see that people can think pretty poorly of Trump in a vacuum and still vote for him.
Capable of ‘seeing’ that grudging acceptance of Trump is all or mainly about his race…I don’t think that premise has been proven to then proceed in analyzing who ‘sees’ it. Seems to me a matter of opinion.
Here in NJ we re-elected Menendez (arguably ‘non-white’ depending on semantics of ‘white’ and how you parse such distinctions but it’s not the main point) to the Senate after he barely achieved a hung jury on a criminal corruption trial where he was obviously guilty enough to not vote for for high office in a vacuum. But it would have meant throwing the seat to a Republican if too many voters abandoned him. So they didn’t.
Some might feel the obligation to prove how virtuous they are by contesting the the premise that Menendez was pretty obviously corrupt, they’d never vote for somebody corrupt. More practical people would just admit he’s better than having the seat go to a Republican from their POV. It’s only really hypocritical, double standard whatever IMO if you try to make the first argument.
If you want to understand Trump’s appeal, you might consider that it’s less about Trump than it is about shared hatred of Trump’s enemies.
As long as Trump keeps enraging people who his fans love to see enraged, they’ll keep supporting him. If you have a general who is giving your enemies fits, you’re not going to recall him because he’s personally vile. And if his vileness is directed at the enemy, you might even love him for it, even if you know he’s an asshole. They would feel this way no matter what his skin color or gender was. The right loved Margaret Thatcher, and they love Clarence Thomas. Seeing everything through the lens of color and gender and privilege is not helpful here.
If you grok this, it will save you a lot of head scratching the next time Trump does something awful and his supporters don’t care.
And if Democrats had a pugilist like this mocking Republicans and laughing at their rules and norms, you love that person too.
It’s sad, but these are the times we live in.
There is no Democratic/liberal equivalent – not to Trump, and not to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and other right-wing hatemongers. Both sides aren’t always the same on everything. In some things, we’re actually different. This is one of them.
A concrete example:
Trump allies plan to keep investigating the Bidens — both officially and unofficially
Sen. Lindsey Graham says Rudy Giuliani will feed dirt on the Biden family to the DOJ, as the Senate continues its investigation into Hunter Biden.
Yep. Those reckless congressional Democrats who are whining that the executive branch won’t cooperate with them are apparently trying to interfere with legitimate oversight. Shameless!
Well said. As has been said: He’s a poor person’s idea of a rich person, a dumb man’s idea of a smart person, and a weak person’s idea of a strong person.
Oh the disconnect is strong with some of these people. Below is a link from Daily Show with people at a Trump rally talking about the impeachment.
“Trump is blocking witnesses.”
“I don’t care.”
There is no current Democratic presidential candidate who is the equivalent of Trump, true. But the underlying sentiment that Sam Stone speaks of does exist - “I’m okay with bad people or bad things, as long as they are on my side.”
Those examples don’t support your argument. “Dirty tricks” in politics aren’t bad or good – they’re a chess move (and some people find certain “tricks” bad, but some people also think certain types of trick plays in football are unfair… and all of these are just different tactics). A rhetorical tactic isn’t inherently good or bad – it depends on what the goal is. Lincoln doing some political wheeling and dealing to pass the 13th amendment wasn’t doing a “bad thing” in service of a greater good – it was doing a smart thing in service of a greater good.
Your second and third examples are just hyperbole – they aren’t saying anything other than “the worst Democrat (or Democratic scandal) is still miles better than Trump (or Trump scandals)”.
Once again, there are no equivalents of the right-wing hatemongers on the left, in terms of popularity and success. There is nowhere near the same appetite for hate on the left – if there was, then someone would have seized upon it to make money, just like Limbaugh, Hannity, Trump, and many others have.
Your interpretation/summation is entirely wrong because it lacks context; the presence of Donald Trump is the conditional that has been met. Remove “batshit crazy fucktard” from the GOP leadership and the attitude of “any Democrat at any cost” returns to its previous inert state.
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Oh the disconnect is strong with some of these people. Below is a link from Daily Show with people at a Trump rally talking about the impeachment.
“Trump is blocking witnesses.”
“I don’t care.”
[/QUOTE]Also notice that one guy describes Trump as having the thickest skin and another guy says Bolton shouldn’t be able to testify because he’s “vengeful”.
There’s another Daily Show video from a Trump rally during the campaign where one guy wonders why Obama wasn’t in the Oval Office taking care of business on 9/11. The guy suspects Obama was on vacation.
It depends on what rules and norms you are talking about. Norms that have no place in today’s society? Surely I would love that person. But norms that should be respected? You couldn’t be more wrong about anything about me. Your claim is to general as is for a discussion, I think.
Of course we are talking in generalities. That’s what matters in politics. The attitudes towards Trump I am talking about don’t apply to NeverTrumpers or people like me, either.
I don’t think Democrats understand how many people in America are sick and tired of political correctness and of being lectured to. People who just want to go home, have a beer, hang out with their friends and family and have a decent life are sick of being told that they are bad people for not organizing their thinking around ‘wokeness’, and being told they are stupid, immoral, deplorable, etc.
That describes a lot of apolitical moderates and unaligned voters - the people you are trying to win.
Fox News and right wing hatemongers have been very successful in spreading this mostly fictional story about the left. These pretend bogeymen may have been successful, but that doesn’t make them any less fictional, aside from the true fringes.