Forgive my usage of common sense above blind nationalism, and I really hate to point out the obvious, but, if your statement is correct, than where on earth do you get the balls to stand behind and support telling a country they’ve been doing it the wrong way for 12,000 years, and by (our) God, we’ll show em the right way to do it, whether they like it or not, but only after we’ve bombed the hell out of em? Especially when our OWN country doesn’t really seem to have too firm a grasp on things even in our own backyard?
It’s the same old shit isn’t it?
This isn’t a partisan thing, I could care less about that shit, why don’t you stupid fucks understand that. I have to shout now.
I AM AGAINST DEMOCRATS LYING TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY TO START A FALSE WAR.
I AM AGAINST REPULICANS LYING TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY TO START A FALSE WAR.
I AM AGAINST WHAT BUSH HAS DONE IN REGARDS TO IRAQ.
Got it?
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Look, Saddam is evil, we get it, but we were specifically told that he was a threat to our country because he possessed WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. How stupid must people be not to be outraged by this. This was never about liberating the Iraqi people, and you spit in their faces every time you say that it is. We were told we were going in for reason A, and reason A alone. It is unacceptable to now say, well reason A may not be true but look, Saddam was a real asshole and he killed a lot of people.
We were lied to straight up, and Bush is going to get away with it because of YOU!
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Just like Osama. :rolleyes:
Now we have 2 guys who are pissed at America and running around with suitcases filled with hundreds of millions of cash.
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Perfection off the bat?
How about I expect that if we are told a country has powerful weapons that endanger humanity, and there is no alternative except to preemptively attack RIGHT THIS FUCKING SECOND!!!, that we find said weapons within the first week, let alone 6 months later.
Is that too much to ask?
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Nice, we’re closing firehouses and homeless shelters in NYC so we can “nurture” democracy on the other side of the world by wasting hundreds of billions of dollars and decades in commitment.
Oh, and for the record…
Once again hating to point out the obvious, the difference being France actually WANTED us there to liberate them.
Cerri. It’s useless. It’ll be freedom fries all over again.
To say nothing of these traitorous BASTARDS:
Two Republicans Seek Audit of U.S. Iraq Operations
This is no time to be dissing party leadership. Who do they think they are, Newt Gingrich!?
Don’t keep it all blocked up inside, World Eater. Tell us what you really think.
qts, America is pretty selective about where it promotes democracy. Consider Azerbaijan, America’s new military pal, where President Ilham Aliyev has eliminated all his political opponents.
Hey, and speaking of “Stalin in the making,” what about Turkmenistan, where
Niyazov has several bad habits, like erecting giant golden statues of himself. The only legal primary textbook in the country is his autobiography, “a gift to the people.” Political opponents are imprisoned, tortured, or murdered.
Despite all that,
Hell, we were good buddies with Saddam for years. The U.S. shamelessly supplying him with conventional and chemical weapons which he used to attack Iran, which we liked, and kill hundreds of thousands of his own people, who we frankly didn’t give two shits about.
In preview, I see I’m a little slow on the draw. But it’s always a mitzvah to refute government propaganda.
Well Bush is certainly winning (the next election campaign).
He might be losing the War on Terrorism, but who cares?
Ah, so Bush invaded Iraq because Hitler invaded Poland and Japan bombed Pearl Harbour. 
Millions died in World War 2 (mainly civilians). Don’t you agree their sacrifice was worth it if Bush gets re-elected?
Try putting your ignorance aside.
Which US political party installed Saddam in power?
Which US political party sold Saddam the weapons to gas his own people?
In case you suffer from short-term memory loss, this war was about Weapons of Mass Destruction, not overthrowing tyrants.
Which tyrant is Bush going to overthrow next - or has his ‘policy’ changed?
And finally your propaganda about sponsored terrorism - do you think Saddam had anything to do with 9/11?
No, just honesty.
Remember the nuclear weapons that Saddam ‘had’?
Remember the passionate speech made by Blair to the UK Parliament, where he warned us that Saddam had weapons aimed at British bases, ready to fire in 45 minutes?
All lies.
How is democracy going in Afghanistan then?
Let me stop poking the obvious gaping holes in your argument for now, and tell you what really depresses me.
I felt that Bush did the right thing in Afghanistan. He was pursuing a terrorist who had attacked the US directly, and there was an international alliance to support the US.
There were decent attempts to bring a representative Government to this war-torn country.
Of course now the US is stupidly tied up in Iraq (at least till the next US election), so the situation in Afghanistan is rapidly worsening.
What a waste.
My money is we won’t be seeing QTS again.
Show me a war that has a lice infestation. Then we’ll figure out to louse it, hey?
My favorite response for this is, “Because Osama Bin Laden used to call on al Qaeda to murder Saddam Hussein, so I don’t think they’d really care to work together.” Not that it would make an impression on thick-headed folks like your coworker. :smack:
The repetition from GOPNe-- er, FoxNews, doesn’t help, either.
glee reminded me of this column by Hitchens.
By the way, Saddam came to power in 1979.
I’ll bet that Hitchens guy is really, really good at Twister.
Well I won’t be holding my breath for that.
Hummmmmm. Maybe while nurturing we can explain how the guy who got the most votes lost the election in this democracy.
It would’ve been nice if we’d just gone with the best planning available, including planning for worst case scenarios instead of discarding it in favor of planning for hugs and flowers.
Tellingly, the State Dept’s plans have been retrieved from the dustbin recently. They’re good for something after all it turns out. Too bad we didn’t start with them.
I know, I know Chalabi himself promised hugs and flowers. But after all, he’s yet to account for millions of US taxpayer’s money. I forget why we decided to go ahead and trust him some more.
Certainly it’s alright to find fault with those who’d make plans when livces are on the line w/o planning for worst case scenarios. That doesn’t mean I hate Bush does it, calling for responsible foreign policy ventures?
And wasn’t there a deomcracy of sorts between the British occupation and Qasim coming to power?
It’s called the Electoral College. Look into it.
Who still gives a shit about the 2000 election? It’s over! Move on and get with the times for chrissakes. We have so many problems today, and we still have idiots who are concerned with the events of 3 years ago.
Yeah, I seem to remember that from 9th grade Civics class. It probably worked well back in the white-guy landholder days, but I don’t think we should get a government of the guy that came in second in the popular vote (regardless of Party).
I’d move to Canada, but they’re too patriotic. At least that’s what I hear.