Are You a Good Person? Documentary that discusses this subject and Abortion.

Not at all. If that were my stance, my daughter would have been born, but NEVER reached 21, I assure you.

The pro-choice stance is simply that my body is mine, and no other person has the right to ride it for free.

That’s not quite the way a lot of pro-choice people would summarize it. :wink:

“Sorry, I have to charge. It’s my policy.”

I don’t know a single pro-choice person (and I know a LOT) who says a fetus/zygote isn’t human. It’s very much human. What it isn’t is a person; it cannot think, or feel, and has no rights.

You are in the right place for it, but I think you might do better to choose one debate subject. This is a bit confusing.

There are a great many children waiting in foster care to be adopted, not to mention that it isn’t anyone’s job to provide babies for the childless.

Good!

But they are FAR less likely to get pregnant. You realize that, correct?

God doesn’t exist. You sound like a pretty good person.

No. The pro-choice stance is varied, but basically- it isn’t a baby, and even if it isn’t, since it’s the woman’s body, she gets to decide what to do with it.

No, it really, really doesn’t. Who told you that?

The difference is personhood. Out of the womb you have it, in you don’t.

Many pro-choice advocates disagree with their laws, and they are more nuanced than you make out here

Human life began many millions of years ago, and has been ongoing ever since. Abortion has done very little to stop it.

Why? I’ll never understand the objection to this. I mean, I suppose it’s nice to be all high-minded about preventing poverty and abused children and yadda yadda, but at the end of the day, if you’re really concerned with anyone’s rights, bodily sovereignty should be pretty high on your list of important things.

Of course, anyone is welcome to summarize it any way they like, but I generally aim for brevity. No reason to waste words on people who are never going to agree with you.

I met some anti-abortion protesters in college about 10 years ago who would hold up signs and posters comparing women to Hitler, equating abortion with genocide, displaying dead fetus photos. It was apparent (after talking to them) that they wanted gov’t to outlaw all form of abortion, to investigate every miscarriage or possible abortion, to outlaw some forms of birth control, et cetera all in the name of Jesus. The rhetoric of their ilk is nothing new. Even the pro-life Christian groups on campus were openly critical (in the campus newspaper) of these tactics.

My hair is human, and the root is even alive. If you try to pass a law that says I can’t pluck out the hairs on my arm when I’m bored well, you’ll have to pry my plucking fingers from my cold dead hand.

I have a drawring of a baby. Very realistic. Oh right, it doesn’t think either and if I want to burn it to make room in my basement I’ll do that if it suits me.

Whoooooosh!

Why is it that after reading your post I can hear in my head an announcer saying: "And now from the director of Chasing Amy, a new film starring Ben Affleck and Matt Damon: Aborting Hitler! :slight_smile:

Eh? What is the difference between A and B except that A != B. What?

That we all need to either be fundamentalist Christians of his specific sect or be forced by law to act as though we were. Also that if we don’t want to we are all people he dislikes as much as is possible for him to dislike someone.

:smack:

I claim a long day and a head cold.

I also endorse the legalization of prostitution, for what that’s worth. :stuck_out_tongue:

Missed this earlier.

Well, light and temperature differentials aside, I guess not much, to the baby.

You really need to get past this idea that it’s all about the baby.

I’m actually fine with laws that prevent 3rd trimester abortions that don’t threaten the life of the mother. I don’t advocate for them but they wouldn’t bother me if they existed (and they do in many places). If you don’t know you’re pregnant by then by the way… Society has failed you utterly and you haven’t made up for it in any meaningful way. A baby past 36 weeks and many times a bit earlier is viable for birth so saying that killing that baby is wrong after birth but killing a baby in the womb at 42 is fine is pretty silly.

Not necessarily. Fatal genetic defects can be discovered that late, medical issues can crop up with the mother, or the fetus can be dead. And forcing a woman to carry a corpse inside her for a month is disgusting.

And birth is much more painful & physically traumatic than abortion, so there’s a difference any time up to birth.

Not as silly as saying that because it reached a certain age, NOW it has a right to hang occupy my will against my womb. There’s no statute of limitations on my ownership of my womb.

I’d be okay with laws saying that every attempt must be made to deliver a healthy 36 week fetus alive if the mother wants it out. But if she wants it out, out it goes.

Well ya, but you’re splitting hairs. Obviously I don’t disagree but I’m not actually scripting the laws I’d be ok with atm so undue detail makes for arguments that are a little overly embellished to get across my point. I never said there was no difference for the mother, obviously delivering is rough but I think on balance it’s an ok spot to be at. I’d also be fine with no such law existing and total control for the mother being the case with that stipulation that if the baby is old enough to live outside the womb go ahead and just take it out early and incubate or whatever needs to be done.

The whole, my womb is my castle thing becomes much less sympathetic to me after the 2nd trimester since you’re a pretty dull penny if you don’t realize you’re pregnant by then or are too indecisive to abort before then. Again I’m fine with society deciding either way at that point and would not be offended by it leaning either way.

Way to dodge the question. Try again, this time with a straight answer.

Actually, given Ray Comfort’s statements in the video, I have to wonder who would be a “good person”. He’s eager to break down his subjects by “proving” them to be liars, thieves, blasphemers, adulterers and harlots, if they’ve ever lied, stolen, used God’s name in vain, looked at someone with lust, and so forth. What kind of pathetic, bloodless, bland, useless, robotic person could pass such a test?

No, that is just wrong. The pro-choice stand is that is that it should be the mother’s choice whether or not to carry the fetus to term.

No, it is not a scientific fact that human life begins at conception. That is wrong.

Someone has played upon your goodness of heart to enlist you to spread lies.

@ lockmat,

Do you think all chemical birth control should be illegal?