As written, it’s pretty clear. No need to ask anyone anything.
You, on the other hand, were so consumed with your obsession with my supposed narrow focus here that you misread the sentence, to the point of just leaving out a word.
No, the other people seemed to understand me a lot better. I did in fact repeat what they had been saying in a different way. Why in the world would I lie when I was trying to explain to you what I found objectionable about your arguments? What good would that do? Why would I want to give you an out of just calling me a liar so you didn’t have to deal with the rest of what I had to say?
Yes, I described what you did in more provocative terms, but that was to make a point, to show that even you were doing it when you weren’t trying to. You have defended people who are racist because they have read some statistics in certain narrow fields that a small minority of black people do certain criminal things. Because of that, it’s okay to think black people in general are criminals. If there’s this little nugget of truth, the racism becomes okay.
And now you’ve doubled down on the irrationality by claiming I was lying because you disagreed with my characterization of my argument. I couldn’t just be mistaken. I had to be actively lying when it would make no sense for me to do so.
Now don’t think I’m saying I’m any better. I’ve done the same thing. I try to be rational, but my irrational roots keep calling. People are just not inherently rational. People do not respond better to rational arguments. The fact that there is a rational explanation is not in any way proof that the person came to the same conclusion rationally. This is fallacious reasoning.
That was my point. Care to actually rebut that?
Dude, are you only allowed access to a computer once a week or something?
I assume by “the other people” you mean my good friend and esteemed colleague Jimmy Chitwood. But if so, you are wrong.
What you were saying was obvious all along and you helpfully repeat it here. Some people are “looking at just a small picture and choosing to discriminate against an entire race because of it”, in that “they have read some statistics in certain narrow fields that a small minority of black people do certain criminal things. Because of that, it’s okay to think black people in general are criminals”. And what I’m doing in this thread (so you claim) is defending people who do this.
What Jimmy Chitwood is saying is I myself am “only looking at a small piece of the picture” in my very arguments in this thread, in refusing to acknowledge what he feels are significant differences in context between some black people’s reactions to their experiences with white racism and some white people’s reactions to their experiences with and information about black crime.
These do not mean the same thing. You’re saying my arguments in this thread are a defense of people who are “looking at just a small picture” etc., while JC is saying that my arguments themselves amount to “looking at just a small picture” etc. Which is why I observed earlier that he had missed the word “defending”.
It’s hard to really get into people’s heads and figure out with certainty why they do this or that. A lot of people like to distort other people’s words in ways that make it easier for them to rebut or denigrate them. And there’s always some uncertainty as to precisely what they’re up to.
In general, there are 3 factors. 1. Self-serving dishonesty - it’s easier and more fun to pretend your opponent is saying something silly and/or morally repugnant than to address what they actually said, which may be neither of those things. 2. Ideological rigidity, which makes people incapable of recognizing arguments outside the specific ones with which they’ve gotten used to framing the issue. And 3. Just plain old stupidity.
Generally some combination of all three. In your specific case, I’m guessing it’s more heavily weighted to #3. But as above, it’s hard to be sure.
But the thing is, that I’ve not actually defended any such people. All I’ve said was that this mentality is logically equivalent to what Hippy Hollow said that some black people do, and which he found understandable.
In addition to never having actually defended this attitude, I make explicitly clear that I was not defending this, for the benefit of the thicker-skulled among us, in post #359. And I reiterated this, for the benefit of the even thicker-skulled among us, in post #374. But I guess you stand alone.
This is not true. As I’ve said previously, “BigT’s statement was a lie, and I was being charitable in allowing that he not have followed the exchange.”
Just kill me now.
It’s like a Sierpinski gasket made up of calling other people idiots.
For what it’s worth, I totally left out the word “defending,” though, and it was an error on my part to leave half of it out.
Yes, and I freely admit it. I believe there is only one race - the human race - and I am all in favor of it.
Thank you for solving racism. It’s over now, everyone. You can all go home.
Why didn’t we think of that before? WHY?
I guess the old song really is right. 'Tis a gift to be simple, for sure.
That is a head-scratcher. I don’t even know how to feel about that. Or when some white guy says he “nigger-rigged his” whatever… motorcycle, usually. I try to say jerry-rigged, in such cases but wonder if I’m insulting Germans. Or is it Brits ? Idk? It’s getting hard not to insult somebody, somewhere.
It’s really not that complicated.
“If you’ve ever said ‘It’s getting hard not to insult somebody, somewhere,’ you might just be …”
So true. I can barely type a whole sentence without using some sort of ethnic slur. Those people are so sensitive.
Considering the term likely originated from a combination of jury-rigged and Jerry-built (Jerry as in Jeremy, not as in German), it’s unlikely. There’s not a single use of a racially based word or epithet in there.
No scratching of heads necessary here.
My grown ass 30 year old brother, to whom I had to give the stink eye and a 15 minute lecture (which didn’t take) on why “Don’t Jew me down on the price” is an atrocious thing to say. In his partial defense, he was raised amongst the rednecks in Arkansas. Considering I, who was also raised amongst the rednecks, would never have dreamed of saying the same thing ever in my life, it’s not much of a defense.
Sadly, I didn’t know that phrase was racist whenever haggling took place. Why? Because it didn’t dawn on my how it was spelled. :smack: It wasn’t until I read it here, and the light bulb clicked, that I got how it all tied in together. Geesh. Fortunately, I’d never used it, but had heard it used plenty by others. Thank goodness I’d missed out on all that.
~faithfool, 46, and still learning new shit every day
This so reminds me of a IRL conversation I had with (former?) Dopers Cajun Man and DrMatrix.
“You’ve never heard the expression “nigger-rigged”?”
“Nope, never. I have heard jerry-rigged but, until today just now, I never heard “nigger-rigged”.”
“We don’t believe you.”
“Take a good look at me. Can you think of a reason no one ever said “nigger-rigged” in my presence? Come on, guys. Think real hard. . .”
I don’t have that excuse but I’ve never heard of that expression either.
And until a recent SDMB thread, the only time I heard the expression “nigger-rich” was in a Chappelle skit about an upper class white family named “Niggar”, which featured a gamut of “nigger” jokes. At the time, I remember speculating that the actual term was most likely “nigger-poor” and that Chappelle was inverting it.
But you can learn all sorts of things on these boards …
There are also a lot of ethnic phrases whose origins are less clear and/or whose meaning is not as clearly negative, e.g. “Indian giver”, “Dutch treat”, and so on.
I’ve heard the expression (nigger-rigged) but I’ve never heard it used in any context other than discussions of potentially offensive words. Like, the word only exists for me in the hypothetical.
I learned the phrase nigger rich from Boiler Room.
A guy who was fixing my first husband’s car once said that he had to “African-American rig it.” That was my first exposure to it. It was in Kentucky.
I didn’t think I heard him right. I remember saying a few minutes later: “What the fuck did he just say?” and “What the fuck does that mean?”
Hey…hey!
The only points I’ve ever made about race (that I remember) are that self-identified race/ethnicities have disparate gene pools driven by the historical migration patterns of hominids over the past several hundred thousand years; that those gene pools clumping studies are available for review; that practical outcomes for many skillsets are known to be driven by genes; that study after study has failed to show normalization of any known environmental variable normalizes outcomes and that therefore it’s highly likely that at a group average level, observable differences at the SIRE groupings are driven by gene pool differences in addition to environmental factors.
And I’ve suggested neither the Eskimos nor the Mbuti are likely to be the next group over-represented in the NBA, even if they get optimum nurturing for it because their gene pools are too disparate from the required gene pool for that skillset.
I’ve pointed out that, since children from wealthy and educated black families underscore on the SAT children from poverty-stricken and uneducated white families, the likelihood a nurturing explanation is the only valid one for SIRE-based academic score differentials is feeble.
So…I’m a racist now, for accepting these various studies and peer-reviewed research in academic journals as likely correct? The fact that I accept the science showing different groups–even SIRE-based groups–have different gene pools makes me a racist?
Pray do go on… 
I couldn’t give a crap about any given individual’s race, whatever that is.
What do you mean “now?” What’s with the disingenuous pearl-clutching, you asshole? As if you’ve never been called a racist before. People have been telling you since day one that you’re a racist - owing to the fact that you’re a racist who thinks white people are smarter than black people. And you know what race means. Jesus fucking Christ, the sheer cynicism is breathtaking.