Not without a preliminary baptism-by-syringe.
No, really, that used to be standard RCC procedure when a pregnant woman was dying.
Yes, we all got together a took a vote. And it was unanimous!
In his book Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice questions, Randy Alcorn (who now owes $8M to a women’s health center who won a lawsuit against his tactics states “It is reasonable to expect a person to live with a temporary inconvenience if the only alternative is a death of a human being.” Reasonable to whom?
Goggle “Willie Horton.”
This.
More like the voice of retarditity. high five Yeah!
Oh horseshit. Forget about the OP’s quoting Hector mentioning Democrats. Let’s say that doesn’t count. So be it. The OP said…
But not just him…
So I said…
A question that still stands. Why do faithfool and RTFirefly lie like that? They know full well there are tons of abortion-alternative programs out there and certainly an abundance of church-run food drives and soup kitchens to help the generically needy.
I was immediately answered with a confirmation of the party connection:
So more than one person brought up the falsehood that extreme pro-lifers don’t care about kids once they’re born. All you could throw up as justification is the generic ideology of the Republican Party, as if they were the same.
You said a pro-choice position goes to shit if there is acknowledgement that a pro-life person thinks a fetus is a living human being. I pointed out that my position does not depend on that. Are you a liar because you made a statement that was incorrect regarding my position?
I have a friend who was conceived by a sixteen-year-old, who carried the pregnancy to term, and put her up for adoption. This was less than a year after Roe v. Wade. She finds it comforting that her birthmother had a choice, and wasn’t forced to bring her to term. She is very pro-choice-- we met doing counter-demonstrations and clinic defense.
When I see those bumper stickers that say “Choose Life-- you mother did,” I wonder how a person who is very depressed, or suffering from a debilitating genetic disorder, feels about those.
FWIW, I was “chosen,” in that my parents planned their pregnancies with judicious use of birth control. I think the people who put those bumper stickers on their cars don’t have planned pregnancies in their worldview, or something.
I would not be here if my mother had not an abortion in 1963 when she was raped. In the first place, I think she might have killed herself. In the second, she met my dad three years later. There’s no way my dad would have married a young woman with a child by another man.
These are people who are willing to go and harass people on a daily basis about a perceived injustice. They’re willing to get up on their soapbox and ruin people’s weeks for the sake of this. And yet, I’m willing to bet, to a man, they do not vote for the party which does the things actually likely to reduce the numbers of abortions or make a child’s life better. So maybe they just don’t care that the republican party completely undermines all of their efforts; I guess that just makes them gigantic hypocrites, incapable of holding to the strength of their convictions. Good for them. :rolleyes:
And of course, none of this really does anything to reduce the fact that Hector_St._Clare, the actual topic of the thread, is a disgusting subhuman troll, and that your initial defense of him was about as honest as the average post by Bricker in the voter ID thread. Yeah, we’re “just attacking him because he’s pro-life”. And then you have the gall to call me stupid? Christ, better an idiot than a liar.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you for making it perfectly clear just how morally bankrupt the republican position on abortion is. Of course, this isn’t the issue.
The issue, buddy, is that if your convictions about abortion are so strong as to harass people, take time off and prevent others from getting a legal medical procedure (or even just, you know, sex ed and condoms)… But not strong enough to vote for the only party that’s actually doing anything to help children, improve sex ed, or otherwise make it more attractive to have a baby and less likely for an unwanted pregnancy to happen! I guess they must really hate gay marriage or something. :rolleyes:
And if you read the OP you would know better than to stand by your asinine defense of Hector. I think the odds that I’m genuinely mistaken in my reasoning is a lot better than the odds that you just didn’t fucking read the OP.
My mother, one night in a stupor from pills and alcohol (I had actually just bailed her out of jail, but that’s another story), told me that she wished she’d have aborted me. That was the first time she said it; I’ve heard it several more times since then.
I’m going to answer you, fuckhead, because I try to be a basically honest person and you don’t have the fucking balls to answer me…
Here’s the post your dumbass is referring to, bolded for the reading comprehension impaired:
So, once more with feeling, THE ONES I KNOW. As in personally. Which is why I framed it as an anecdote, replete with my own experience. I understand that reading must be difficult for you, but it’s there in black and white for anyone with a modicum of sense to understand. THE FUNDAMENTALISTS (key!) that I KNOW (key!) who rail against abortion DO NOT DO ONE MOTHERFUCKING THING (charity or otherwise) TO HELP BABIES / KIDS AFTER THEY ARE BORN! Capiche, asshole?
Now, since you’ve crawled out of your hole to address something I’ve said and lied your ass off again, do you have the cajones to admit you are indeed a fucking liar about why you said I pitted your fellow cretin? Or not, your call.
Dickhole.
When you say “abortion-alternative programs”, does that refer to or include (among other examples) crisis pregnancy centers? I would think it does, and a year long study found that “the vast majority of Virginia CPCs continue to relay medically inaccurate information to potential and current clientele about infertility, fetal development, sexually transmitted infections, contraception, pregnancy, and abortion. Of the 56 centers identified and investigated in Virginia, 71 percent (40) shared some degree of medically erroneous information”:
Here is the PDF that gives more specifics (the first link was the executive summary).
Verbal cruelty toward one’s offspring is a completely separate issue from the availability of legal and safe abortion. My husband’s mother used to tell him that she thought about having an abortion when she found out she was pregnant with him, and sometimes she wished she had. Abortion was not legal in the state where she lived, and at any rate, he was her third child, born while she was married to his father; his father tells him that his mother never mentioned abortion, and to the contrary said she was happy to be having another baby.
She used to say other cruel things to him, so it’s his personal belief that she was lying about considering aborting him. Thinking that does nothing to relieve the general unhappiness over all her abusiveness, and he rarely talks to her.
It’s a terrible thing to tell a child they were unplanned, unwanted, and only born because a safe abortion wasn’t available (for whatever reason-- it wasn’t legal, it was too expensive, or the woman didn’t even know she was pregnant until it was too late), but whether or not abortion is legal, there will always be some parents who are assholes. I would hope that free access to quality birth control, and the information to use it correctly might cut down on the number of assholes who become parents, but probably not a whole lot. It mainly allows good parents to be better parents (and people who have the personal insight that assholes usually don’t, not to be parents at all), because they can plan when and how many. Still, on the whole, children are happier and safer.
LOL, you fucking rock faithfool!
I must agree with that.
You’re stating an opinion. A boneheaded, ignorant opinion, but an opinion nonetheless. I’m still accurate in saying your position detonates if a fetus is a person, even if you don’t know it.
Contrast that with the fact, not opinion, that clinic protesters do care about children once they’re born.
I never offered a defense of Hector of any sort, so I don’t know why you’re bringing it up. I criticized the OP’s pathetic attempt at a pitting, and more specifically, his acting surprised that pro-lifers hold pro-life opinions. The OP boils down to this: “Can you believe this pro-lifer said pro-life things? Look here, where he says abortion is murder. It’s almost like he isn’t pro-choice at all!”
Look, fuckwad, no one gives a shit about your anecdotes or you shitty friends, aight? Your anecdotes don’t erase what was said and what I quoted. Your acquaintance caveat doesn’t get you around the clear-as-day implication of “Just how many people would step up and take care of those babies after they are here?” It doesn’t do jack for RTFirefly’s statement, unless you two hang out on the weekends or something.
Nice backpedal, though. I’ll just go ahead and take that as an admission that protesters do care about kids after they’re born and you just happen to hang out with assholes.
(Side note: Just because you suck at pitting people doesn’t make your pitee my fellow anything.)
Yeah, you don’t read too well do you?
Thanks, guys. Much appreciated. I’ve seen many completely pathetic and less-than-human ball-less wonders on the Dope, but that moron completely takes the cake. I can’t take anyone seriously who undoubtedly needs someone to hold his dick when he pees because he’s too fucking dumb to figure it out for himself. Just like every pathetic one of his ilk, I knew he’d be too chickshit to own up to his lies and bullshit, but who knew it’d be so hilarious?
And the funniest part? I fail at this pitting. 
To the one person who can’t grok a clearly labeled anecdote. When he’s the only one. The one who said no one cares about my experience, when he fucking brought it up. Yep, it’ll always take longer than we think. That kind of industrial grade stupidity is only to be pointed and laughed at and added to the SDMB annuals of WTFisms.
But for shits and giggles, I’m going to enshrine this particular piece of inanity to amuse me whenever I start to think that some can’t get any more pussified or imbecilic…
That’s how insanity works for these people right here, folks. Dumbshittery 101. You get your ass totally owned, then you stick your fingers in your ears and swear that you didn’t, all the while claiming victory via some bullshit strawman that a 2 year old could demolish. If I didn’t know better, I’d think that a Limbaugh or a Colter had invaded our board. As it is, I’ll just now know how special this particular weeping cumstain is and only hope that, once he leaves mom’s basement, no one gets hurt.
Keep up the awesome whackjob, you feeble-minded fucking douche!
You go girl!
I knew I was pregnant the first time on April 15th, 2002. I was euphoric. I was ecstatic, gloriously delighted, grinning and crying and being held with incredible sweetness by the man I’d been married to almost eight years while he was just about equally pleased. I screamed in joy when I saw that damned second line show up. It was one of the happiest days of my life. I don’t want a single woman seeing that line and feeling any other way.
That’s one of the many reasons I am pro-choice.
Oh, I wasn’t saying it for any reason other than everyone else was sharing stories about relatives and abortions. My mother and I have a very tempestuous relationship.
Another anecdote, not featuring my mother:
I’ve been an EMT for the last 6 years. Doing that job, you become family with your partner because you spend so much time together, and we worked 24-hour shifts, 3-4 days a week. My partner - let’s call her Megan (because that was her name) - was a cute little blonde who was apparently a requirement for graduation. I think I’m the only guy I know who didn’t sleep with her. And she and my wife (no ex-wife) knew each other from before I met either of them. Megan’s cousin was a good friend of my wife’s. And my wife hated her.
On 3 or 4 occasions, Megan had to go get some female troubles sorted out. To listen to her tell it, she had about 3-4 blighted ova. That was what she was telling people, anyway. She’d actually been having abortions. I’m pro-choice, but it always rubbed me the wrong way that she was using them as a method of birth control.
One morning, as we were about to leave to go home after a shift, she asked if I’d take her to the clinic so she could get this latest one taken care of. I said no. Not because I was taking any kind of moral stance. But because there’s no way I’m calling my wife and saying, “hey, hon…I’ll be home late. I’m gonna take Megan to get an abortion.”
So Megan suggests, “just don’t tell her.”
I said, “oh, fuck, no. No way am I doing that.” She wanted to know why not.
I had to explain my rationale, and I’m sure you ladies can follow it: If your husband comes home late unannounced, and you discover that he took a co-worker that you don’t like to an abortion clinic, WITHOUT TELLING YOU, isn’t your natural reaction going to be thinking that kid may have been his? That’s a whole level of suspicion I just don’t need.
Sorry for the hijack(s).