No. The only pictures I’ve seen of him are middle school photos that make everyone at that age look defenseless. And photos of Zimmerman that make him look like a big ole tough guy in a white tshirt. Why…why (tell me) weren’t there more current photos of Trayvon posted on the news? Parents of teenagers from the suburbs take pics (I’m one of those) I don’t believe there weren’t any available. Maybe it’s because good vs evil sells newspapers. On the bottom of our tv screen in the past few days there are also notices posted showing Trayvon in a different light than the photos. I’m on team Justice, by the way.
If you listen to gossip about Zimmerman, then why not listen to it about Trayvon?
He was supposedly kicked out of School for carrying a controled substance. Kids (not necessarily Trayvon) who use controled substances are sometimes defensive and angry.
He supposedly had a backpack with burglary tools and women’s jewelry. (Something a kid (not necessarily Trayvon) on a controlled substance would get defensive and angry about.)
He is supposedly (not the same as in the above) 6’2" tall. (Not the 5’ smiling kid you see in the pictures) Zimmerman was heavier but not athletic and half a foot shorter. What? You thought the big guy beat up on the little guy?
Trayvon was supposed to weigh 140 lbs. Now we’re hearing it was closer to160. Zimmerman was supposed to weigh 240 but according to CNN guests he’s more like 190. Think again. Trayvon at 6’2" 160 and athletic (a football player) vs
Zimmerman 5’8" at 240 and paunchy. To me it might be a toss up.
The police were under fire for not notifying the parents about Trayvon’s death. He was on morgue table for three days (so the story goes). If your child were missing for three days would you have called the hospitals, maybe even the morgue to see if anyone matching his discription was there? Would you have gone to those places to look, or would you just sit back and wait for news? Nothing, and I mean nothing would stop me as a parent from doing everything I could possibly do if one of my own kids were missing, even after only a few hours. I would have to know, see for myself.
His girlfriend was supposedly with him and on the phone when Trayvon was killed. If it was murder, why did she run? Hide? (She’s only now started talking to authorities again) Does she have reasons of her own to not tell the truth?
There were two women witnesses on CNN. One said she heard whining and went out to see the perp on top of the kid hitting him. The other said it was too dark to really tell. Which one do you believe? Or did she just see a taller guy on top of a smaller guy and assume the smaller one on the bottom was Trayvon?
Again, I’m on team Justice waiting for an official Court verdict
Because it is the initial police report, describing police arriving at the scene etc. What would a prior police report contain - the thoughts of the policemen and the scenery as they were driving to the incident point?
We don’t know for a fact that Zimmerman made it known to Martin that he had a gun or not. But human behavior is predictable enough to know that it is very likely he did.
Ask yourself this: Why would Zimmerman keep his gun a secret when confronting someone he considered an armed and dangerous threat? If a prowler broke into your house at night and you went to confront them, would you present empty-handed? Most people wouldn’t. They’d pick up the nearest object that could be used as a weapon: a book, a vase, a knife…or a gun if they had one.
But Zimmerman is telling us he didn’t do this. Despite going after a guy he was convinced was up to no good, he claimed he only reached for his gun until after the boy started beating on him. This is the opposite of normal human behavior, though. The fact that he felt the need to stress how it was it was his phone he reached for, not his gun, is a major tipoff that he is lying. Why would he reach for his phone? He already knows the cops are on their way. A phone would be perfectly useless to him in that moment, but amazingly, a gun would not be useless. It would be just the thing a logical person would reach for when they’re in a threatened situation.
Here is what it looks like to me: Zimmerman is asking us to believe that he didn’t have his gun out, so that we can better accept the idea that this kid started beating on him without provocation. This has to be his position for his claim to self-defense to be legitimate. As you said, it’s hard to imagine an unarmed person attacking man when they know he has a gun. I agree with you. But it’s even harder for me to imagine that an armed person, who was hopped up on adrenaline as Zimmerman was, would keep his gun a secret from Martin only up to the moment the kid was shot in the chest.
It’s also hard for me to imagine Martin starting a fight with a man much bigger than himself, when all he’s carrying is candy and tea. We know what Zimmerman’s agenda was (to keep Martin from getting away), but what is Martin’s agenda? To swallow Zimmerman’s story, we have to assume the kid is an irrational violent person.
The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.
Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.
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“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.
Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and didn’t not want to be shown on camera.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.
Actually, my guess is that OfficerAyala’s report, lacking any description of Zimmerman’s injuries, filed at 2:28 and designated “O” is considered the “original”, and Officer Smith’s report, which does mention the injuries, filed at 3:29 and designated “S” is considered “Supplemental”.
Original = “initial”.
Just a guess.
And how much weight you are going to give to this, you being anyone, I don’t know. Smith seems more detailed than Ayala generally and there’s only an hour between.
Aren’t you the guy who said an “earwitness” would be unreliable? And yet the police say that the screams were Zimmerman, and you swallow that without so much as a qualm? How do they know? Do they get special training in scream recognition?
And its “John”? Not an anonymous source, but a “named” source. His name is John. Which makes him a named source, so much more convincing than an anonymous source!
Certainly clarifies that! And what has become of “John”? We don’t seem to have heard anything more from him.
Zimmerman has a history of being aggressive and (literally) pushy. He was once arrested for interfering with an arrest (of someone else) and assaulting a police officer, pushing him. His girlfriend once reported him for following her and pushing her. At least one resident of the housing development reported that Zimmerman had followed him around to the point of making him fearful.
Martin has no such history. Martin’s girlfriend has sworn an affidavit to the effect that her phone call with him shortly before his death ended when she heard his headset fall off and the phone cut out – it was her belief that he was pushed. It would fit.
Some of Zimmerman’s claims, such as that he only left the car to check a street sign and was jumped by Martin upon trying to return to his car, simply don’t add up at all. The development is small, and Zimmerman knows it well to the point of patrolling it on his own initiative for over a year. And the shooting occurred near a walkway that ran behind and between the buildings (like an alleyway, but pedestrian), a long way from anywhere he could have parked.
The lead homicide detective thought his story was dubious and wanted him arrested for manslaughter – it would have happened but for the local prosecutor calling it off, presumably on account of this stand your ground law (the authors of which say it doesn’t actually apply).
And all of this makes the apologists so desperate to smear Martin that they’ll go to the extreme of swallowing pictures sourced from freaking STORMFRONT as real; that they’ll cling to whatever bad things they can find in Martin’s past as if they have anything at all to do with what happened that night (none of which, may I add, suggest a propensity to starting unprovoked fights, while George Zimmerman’s DOES).
And all this emphasis on OMG sweet-faced 14 year old isn’t that horrible he’s being shown that way. Like you really believe it matters to the mathematics of this kid being dead when he should not be, when he was just minding his own business, and his killer so far walking free. It only matters to you.
This was a freaking EYEwitness. He SAW Zimmerman screaming. Do you understand the difference?
He gave his testimony to the police. He is not obligated to reveal your name to you and to the public so that he can get harassed by the Black Panthers and their “5000 black men” that they are urging to kidnap Zimmerman.
And what of this? Wny is her testimony less convincing? Oh, right, I forgot. She isn’t a “named” witness. The other witness is named. His name is “John”. As in “Doe”. Certainly that lends greater substance.
Oh, so you have information to the effect that “John” chose to remain anonymous in fear of harassment from "Black Panthers and their “5000 black men” '? Or are you just pulling that out of your ass and throwing it in there?
Actually, Officer Smith’s report is the initial one, since when Officer Ayala arrives, Officer Smith is already on the scene and Zimmerman is in his custody.
The hour is when it was filed. Not when the information was gathered.