This is permissible under law. Every man, woman, and child in America who is not specifically under house arrest is allowed to go out and take a stroll at any time if they feel like it.
Oh, I’ve seen broken noses without blood, but I’ve never seen a broken nose that didn’t swell. I’m willing to bet that Zimmerman could have had minor scratches or discoloration that didn’t show on the video, but the film is sharp enough to tell that his face was not in the least bit swollen.
By the way brazil, does the fact that Zimmerman is clearly NOT a “fatty” and in fact seems to be in admirable shape influence your opinion in any way? I seem to remember his being a “fatty” being quite a sticking point for you.
Prior to which one? Officer Smith’s? Because Officer Ayala’s report existed prior to Officer Smith’s. Perhaps you meant to say: “Do youknow of a report filed by an officer who arrived on the scene prior to Officer Smith and filed a report about it?”
And since I think those reports were generated in some kind of police-reporting software that time-stamps the statements written out by the officers, the only thing that could be amended without being obviously so were the “person” sections.
I also just noticed something very interesting that I haven’t seen anyone else mention, and I have no idea what it means or where it fits in the whole picture of who is blaming whom, but note on the first page where it says this:
OFFENSES
Off # Description Statute Attempt/Commit DVR
1 Homicide-Neglig Mansl- 782.11 C No
Unnecessary killing to
Prevent Unlawful Act
Hmmm…? Looks like Officer Ayala, at least, was of the opinion when he wrote the report that this was negligent homicide/manslaughter/unnecessary… unless there’s something in the cryptic codes that refutes that. (“DVR” - does it mean was the crim captured on Tivo? Nyuk)
By the way, note to Terr: you might want to look closer at the report and note that there is only one available slot for “Officer Reporting”, right in the top section. The “Officer Reporting” is Ayala. Smith’s report is merely part of Ayala’s report, as a narrative amendment, not a separate, standalone report that has its own identity. If Smith’s report is the “initial” report because he was first on scene, how is it that this report is actual Ayala’s report which includes Smith’s narrative? Wouldn’t “The” “Initial Report” stand alone with Smith’s name if it were what you claim?
(By the way, I feel certain you know better, you are just being perversely stubborn in admitting you were reaching. Admitting it won’t mean you are therefore wrong about everything, you know…)
Agreed. So let’s assume for the sake of discussion that Martin was not going out for a snack but was instead wandering through a gated community for unknown reasons. Agreed?
Please show me where I said otherwise.
And please explain to me what my opinion is, in your view.
Your choice.
Of course. And similarly, Zimmerman was perfectly at liberty to follow, approach and question a stranger who was wandering around his gated community.
And if indeed as a result Martin threatened Zimmerman’s life and attempted to make good on his threat, Zimmerman was in the right to use lethal force against him.
But please answer my question: If it turns out that Martin was in fact NOT out to get a snack as claimed, would it change your analysis of the case?
It’s a very simple question.
Why would you assume that? Do you think it isn’t obvious that you want to suggest that he was thuggin’ around looking for something to steal?
Why assume this at all? I don’t know of any reason to assume it, other than to make your position seem less stupid. I can understand that, since no one likes to advocate stupid positions, but that doesn’t mean we need to play along.
Why do you have to resort to such underhanded and vile tactics? Is it because you’re unable to argue your views honestly? That might be a sign that you’re wrong.
Now, if it turns out that Martin was running around looking for babies to stab, then yes, that would change my opinion of the shooting. :rolleyes:
Unknown reasons? Why do you get to know a reason that some kid is walking down a sidewalk?
I went for a walk down to the park and back after work last Wednesday. Want to know why? It’s none of your fucking business, that’s why!
A few other things worth noting have been pointed out to go along with this.
It was mentioned elsewhere that it looks like on the video that Zimmerman has no problem breathing with his mouth closed. Had his nose been broken that is simply not possible.
Also, a cop pointed out that what he found really disconcerting was that the police officers handling him weren’t wearing any gloves, and I don’t mean black leather gloves like you see in the movies but the medical gloves used in hospitals. According to procedures anytime they’re helping someone who’s just had blood on them or has it on them, for very obvious reasons they’re supposed to wear those gloves for very obvious reasons.
Either those police officers were in really stunning violation of basic procedure, or any abrasions Zimmerman had must have been really, really minor.
The other thing that he found really disturbing was how Zimmerman easily, with no apparent effort got out of the back of the vehicle despite being handcuffed from behind and moreover, that the officers made no effort to help him, that their demeanor suggested they expected him to do it with no problem.
He insisted that getting out of back of police car while handcuffed from behind is quite difficult, and that would especially be true of anyone who’d just suffered a severe beating and it would be utterly preposterous that if the officers had someone in the back of the car they felt had just suffered a really severe beatdown that they wouldn’t have tried to help him.
I actually tested it out myself with the help of my girlfriend and we both found it nearly impossible to get out of the back of a car with our hands lightly tied behind our backs and neither of us were able to do it nearly as fluidly as Zimmerman(she had an easier time then I but even in her case it took a few attempts before she could do it unaided without banging into the seat and nearly falling over).
I don’t mean to insult or disrespect Red Fury, but based on his descriptions of how he was after he’d broken his nose, I doubt he could have done it unaided and I know I couldn’t.
Yes, but are you black?
If so, it’s very much my business.
How do I know you’re not a thief, or worse, that you’re there to pick up a white girl?
I wasn’t wearing a hoodie; I’ll give you that much.
His mother was frightened by a 10° angle.
Probably you should ask that question of the attorney hired by Martin’s family. After all, he’s (apparently) the source of the claim that Martin was out to get a snack.
If it doesn’t matter what Martin was doing, then why do his supporters need to assert that his purpose was simply to go to the store?
Assuming Trayvon didn’t attack Zimmerman from behind (extreme team Z scenario) and Zimmerman didn’t just chase and shoot Trayvon in cold blood (extreme team T scenario) what do you think is the most likely course of events?
This confuses the heck out of me, what are you trying to hint at? Downtown Dallas has come a long way in the past decade, but I’m prone to working late when I don’t have the kids. I have to walk a few blocks to get to my car. My car has been broken into twice, and sometimes there were some somewhat worrisome altercations. One of my associates who only has to go from the building to covered parking was held up at knifepoint in November.
For a couple of years I lived on and off at a ranch in west Texas. If I were lucky, a trooper could get to the main house in 30 minutes. Do you recall what happened to that teenaged mother in Oklahoma? She lived right next to a police station in comparison to that.
So, again, what’s your point?
Because that’s what his father said he was doing. Why do you disbelieve him? He went out at the half-time of the NBA All-Star Game. Do you think he was out to score a new flat screen from some sucker and be back to watch Kobe Bryant.
You are focusing on the least important detail in this whole rigamorle. Trayvon Martin had a right to be where he was, whether he was toting a bag of Skittles or a picture of your mom sucking off an eskimo. Reason don’t enter into it.
The fact that you intimate that he was out doing something nefarious is fucking disgraceful. The kid is dead. He was doing nothing wrong. But of course, you just have to accuse him of being some sort of criminal, because it just couldn’t be possible that a responsible gun owner, with an obsession for dialing 911, could ever be reckless, or, god forbid, a gigantic pussy, and be held responsible for being the utter moron he was for getting himself in this situation to begin with.
You armchair detectives are fucking amazing.
Who needs lawyers, courts, and juries when we have you guys around.
Trial by public perception is alive and well in this place.
Team Stupid?
Team Manpri.
I’m working on a Brazil84 impression:
"Let’s assume for the sake of discussion, that Zimmerman was out looking for black teens to rape. Agreed? Would that make you think differently about the case?
It’s a very simple question." :rolleyes: