Please let me correct that faulty assumption. Grabbing a gun does not require the skills of a hardened criminal. It is well within the abilities of an emotionally distraught teenager. Given that I have personal experience with this matter and you do not, will you accept that?
If that was true, why wouldn’t they be required to disarm themselves in other settings where they could be even more confident that they won’t be facing armed opponents? They are not required to disarm in a morgue, which only has doctors and dead people, both of whom are very unlikely to be armed. They are not required to disarm while using the bathroom in the middle of the police station. The only places in the police station they are required to disarm is the interrogation rooms and holding areas. Want to guess why again?
For the same reason that corrections officers in US prisons don’t carry weapons in the cell blocks, either. How is it that they aren’t safer with some means of self-defense they’re trained to use?
I think you’ve misunderstood my claim. I’m not suggesting that it’s entirely impossible for an emotional distraught teenager to successfully seize a gun, I’m suggesting that fewer emotionally distraught teenagers attempt this than hardened criminals, and hence it’s less of a concern for a teacher than a cop.
Yes. It’s impossible to disprove the possibility that in that hypothetical some bystander may have been shot. FWIW, it seems that the vast majority of CCW holders behave responsibly and the vast majority of their defensive gun uses do NOT end with an injured or killed bystander.
The vast majority iof CCW holders did not acquire their weapons of choice for the purpose of defending panicking school children in a packed school during a crisis situation. If Trump gets his wish and 20% of teachers become CCW holders then between 350,000 to 700,000 teachers(depending on on whether you include private schools) will be acquiring their CCWs for just that reason.
This is a “duh” claim, because currently very few emotionally distraught teenagers have teachers carrying weapons, so naturally fewer teenagers have attempted it.
I am also disappointed that you ignored my point that even trained police officers disarm themselves in certain situations to increase safety to all parties, themselves included. I know it contradicts your beliefs that more guns make people safer and thus I’m not surprised, but I’m still disappointed.
One last point you keep making that I want to rebut. You keep going on about how a small pistol is less suited towards a mass shooting than a rifle, which is technically true. Your hardcore sociopath will probably be unimpressed and bring his own gun from home, and yes, a pistol isn’t that great at killing lots of people. But what happens when you get a disturbed student who just wants to kill one? I’ve known bullied children who absolutely had no desire to shoot up the entire school, just their bully. I’ve known children who were no threat to anyone other than themselves due to severe depression. By arming teachers and thus allowing more access to guns, you are directly increasing the chances that these types of students will get their hands on guns. These won’t be big planned out massacres planned in advance by sociopaths, these will be little shootings done by normal kids who just had the worst day of their life and lashed out without thinking. That doesn’t make their victims any less dead.
On a purely emotional level, the worst fate I could imagine inflicting on a teacher is forcing them to make the choice between use lethal force to protect their firearm from falling into the hands of a suicidal student, or watching a student kill themselves or another student with their gun. That shit destroys people in a way they never really recover from. Even on my worse “I hate everyone” days, I couldn’t wish that on anyone.
Well, now, isn’t this an interesting tidbit? But its a preliminary investigation, yes? Not meant for any definitive purpose but, as it says…“…Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research…”. So, this wasn’t actually a study, but a compilation of previous studies, as a means to promote and guide the real study, the one that should come next.
But never did. The CDC did not proceed with that research. Bet you already know why.
And this nugget! “…almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals…” Almost all? Numbers is numbers, if they legit got the numbers, then the numbers match. Or they don’t. And what perzackly is meant by “almost”?
And “…defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals…” So, then, defensive uses were, numerically, more than offensive uses. What? People defended themselves against armed assault more frequently than armed assaults took place? Perhaps the Zimmerman Factor, whether or not to define a bottle of Snapple as a weapon of personal destruction.
And last but least.“…estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…” That’s a big ol’ chunk of estimatin’, don’t you think? Or don’t you?
And your CNS News? Media Research Center. “…MRC’s sole mission is to expose and neutralize the propaganda arm of the Left: the national news media…”
So, hey, way to go with the trustworthy, non-partisan citation stuff, big guy!
I didn’t ignore it. I responded to it. Those places are generally secure and controlled environments where they’re confident no one will have a firearm. Out in the rough-and-tumble world, where they think there’s more of a chance they might run into an armed assailant, they generally carry guns to protect themselves.
Quick! Arm the students! Arm the bus drivers! Arm the custodians! We will NEVER be safe until each and every person in the nation is armed to the teeth at all times! Every gun is sacred, every gun is great. When a gun is wasted, God gets quite irate.
It might happen that an armed citizen stops an active shooter before rampage ends, but is it often enough to outweigh the obvious threat posed by having a society that is armed to the teeth?