Yeah, it couldn’t possibly that he just remembered it incorrectly. I mean, it was **only **35 years ago. And don’t bring up the Kerry/Cambodia BS. I’ve said the same thing about him, although at least Arnold didn’t say it was “seared into his memory” or something to that effect.
No, it only feels that way (and probably only for those of us who don’t believe he should be).
Just imagine the reaction if he’d claimed he saw black churches in Vienna being burned to the ground by Sir Edmund Hillary.
:smack:
You mean CNN wouldn’t tell the whole story? :eek:
I trusted them, and was misled? :mad:
Shit, how embarrassing. :o
:: slinks away to lick wounds ::
Yeah, but he doesn’t say that the US should strengthen the military, does he?
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Which is quite contrary to the inaugural. Which might not be surprising, consaidering the context of both occasions.
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And another quote from his inaugural:
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But as Ace_Face quoted, Nixon started with affirmative action. Yet again from the inaugural:
I still think that whoever wrote Arnold’s speech is - to put it mildly - revising history to match up with his personal history. It makes for a nice soundbite, and it’s not too far from the truth. Nixon obviously never wanted to turn the US into a communist country. But the agenda then was the war in Vietnam, the student protests, the swing left of almost all politics in Western democracies, the space race, the aftermath of the civil rights movement, the Black Panthers in Mexico City, the drugs, what USSR did in Prague. Less government, lower taxes, free enterprise and stronger military were not the hottest issues debated then. So I don’t think Schwarzenegger actually saw anything like that on tv. But since I haven’t found a transcript, I can’t be sure.
What’s your point, besides the contrary-quotes, Lib?
And this bring me to John Mace. Who crapped on your corn flakes this morning?
A lot of stuff that was said and printed back then find its way to the web. But googling Nixon+1968+speech turned up page after page with hits about Schwarzenegger’s speech and blogs. When trying to illustrate something about the zeitgest, I looked at the Nixon Library, but they only have stuff from '69 and later. I still think it’s valid as an illustration.
Of course, Lib found another speech and I didn’t. My point still stands - Arnold probably didn’t experience what he said.
That’s so typical of you conservatives. You just have to turn every issue into something about Hillary.
I’d like to know if he really did arrive here with empty pockets. At a now defunct message board I used to lurk there was a discussion of his pay from his bodybuilding (endorsements, competitions, public appearances as Mr. Universe, etc.) and the investments he made early on in real estate that made him a multimillionare. The numbers didn’t add up, apparently, but so little is known of his actual background, it’s hard to say if his family had money. (And if they did, perhaps he wouldn’t want to say because of his dad being a former Nazi.) I have no idea how one would go about finding out the info, though. Any ideas?
Dont feel too bad about CNN telling fibs, EddyTeddyFreddy. I say, go to the barn and visit the ponies, they make everything better. (It helped me once when the BBC was being economical with the truth, and I only found out after I told a friend about it. My friend mocked me, but the ponies loved me, or the carrots i brought them either worked; and everything was all better.)
Oh, and with Arnold being elected governor of California, I’m slightly less embarrassed about the voting that my family members did in Texas and Minnesota. 
hajario, you’ve overlooked the differences in party orientation caused by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was passed by a coalition of moderate/liberal non-Southern Democrats and moderate/liberal non-Southern Republicans (yes, there used to be such a thing). The bulk of the conservative white Southern Democrats were so alienated by the vote against them in their own party that they became ripe for recruiting in Nixon’s 1968 Southern Strategy and, for the most part, converted to the Republican Party that they now control. Zell Miller is one of the last holdouts. The number of speakers at the RNC who claimed credit for the Republicans passing the Act, compared to the party’s current leadership and orientation and, for the most part, composition, is as disingenuous as claiming it’s still the party of Lincoln, the trial lawyer turned reluctant war-fighter and civil rights activist. The faction that now runs the GOP is the one that opposed the 1964 Act.
As for Arnold, yes, if Kerry had said anything nearly as nonfactual, the Usual Suspects here would be screaming “LIAR”!
Can’t say. Don’t know what a “contrary-quote” is. The only point I was making is that the notion of someone being unable to infer such things as “talking about free enterprise, getting the government off your back, lowering the taxes and strengthening the military” from a Republican presidential candidate — especially when culled from partial selections from a single speech — is pretty far-fetched. It is hard to imagine an exercize that is a greater waste of time than picking apart someone’s childhood memories of America from Soviet Europe.
Good advice, and I’m about to put it into practice. One of the many things I love about horses is that they don’t lie to you.
Heh. I’m wondering how many people who voted for Mitt Romney to be a dedicated, hands-on governor are feeling like fools, now that he’s displaying such a virulent case of Potomac Fever.
You know, Lib, I get the impression that you posted your quotes, just to be contrary to what I dug up, not really in an effort to bring light to the subject. I was seven and IIRC you were 11 in '68. I have vivid memories from the US election in '72 so I bet you have them from '68, whereas mine are hazy.
However, the zeitgeist didn’t change all that much in those four years and my point is still that “less government, less taxes, stronger military” were not the issues that took center stage in any political debate during that time. If they did, they were means to an end, not means in themselves, as they are now.
I also think that the inaugural, be it insincere and full of lies, is a good lithmus of things that were debated at the point. Of course, it doesn’t tell the whole story. Why don’t you click the link and read all of it?
Actually, I was 13. My very first memory of presidental politics was when I was four. I was listening with my father to pundits reporting on the race between Nixon and Kennedy. I asked my father whom he liked. He said Kennedy. I said, “What kind of car is he driving?” In the race. See, race… car… Okay, you sorta had to be there. Anyway, when I saw your interpretation of snippets from one of Nixon’s speeches, I took it upon myself to find an archive of presidential speeches. I examined Nixon’s and found them on the whole to be entirely in-line with both my memory and Arnold’s.
Still is – though it’s a population of one, as far as I can tell: Sherwood “Sherry” Boehlert (R, New Hartford NY) is a liberal Republican, and I think the last one in the House. (Also a strong fan and the former owner, with his wife, of the Utica Blue Sox minor league baseball team, FWIW.)
Or, they’re really, really good at it, and you just haven’t caught them out yet.
Heh. Sometimes they try to fool me, but their body language always gives them away.
He’s certainly been hands-on in trying to prevent gay couples from getting married. Other than that, I can’t think of a damn thing he’s done.
Not to your face, anyway. As far as you know.
I’d prefer not to know what they say behind my back. 
They’re awfully easy to bribe, though. One carrot, or bran muffin, or a handful of peppermints and they’re yours.
At least until the goodies run out.
Hey, you can’t blame Arnie. He’s angry that those evil commie bastards came in and ran out the nice, peaceful… Third fucking Reich. Seriously, didn’t anyone proof this thing and notice that? You’d think at some point one of his staff would sit him down and explain some of the various things about early 1940’s Austria he should avoid getting all giddy over. It’s bad enough being on record praising Hitler, even if it was just for his ability to get people to buy his rhetoric (which still isn’t exactly a good thing).
There’s no shortage of documentation that the Anschluss and Nazi control were enthusiastically received by a large part of the Austrian population, including der alte Herr Schwarzenegger. The ex-Nazi supporters of Austria, living in postwar occupation under the Soviets, most certainly did have reason to fear them.
There’s a saying that Austria’s greatest postwar achievement was to convince the world that Hitler was a German and Beethoven was an Austrian.