Are you guys watching this season? I couldn’t find a newer thread. I recently watched season 1 via Netflix after hearing good things about it, and I really enjoyed it.
Now we’re two episodes into season 2. I loved the season premiere. I like how some of the changes they are making feel earned. Like Oliver finally deciding to be a ‘hero’ even though he’d been avoiding that label while taking care of the people in the notebook. Along with that, he’s decided not to kill his adversaries anymore. And the tease about him taking on the “Green Arrow” title–without actually saying that name yet–was great.
I like the China White (Kelly Hu) character, and we got to see her again. Also nice to see Michael Jai White, though I’m not that familiar with many of these DC characters, so I don’t know if his character is from the comics. Oh, and we also got a glimpse of Black Canary, I presume? And they are continuing to develop Thea’s boyfriend as a potential sidekick. I do hope we see the Huntress character again.
I like how they’re doling out the island story piecemeal. It breaks up–and dovetails–the ‘present’ storylines nicely. And as someone mentioned upthread he was on that island for five years, so there should be plenty of backstory there to keep filling in for quite a while.
I like the show, but last season the characters were more realistic (for this type of show). This season, a lot of their actions and motivations seem to be there because the writers want them that way. While Tommy did call Ollie a killer, it was in an offhand, hurtful way - not some high-falutin’ moral stand. He knew Ollie was the Hood for months and never mentioned again.
Lauren’s change of heart - we know she’d switched to Ollie just before he died, but I don’t think she knew Tommy knew. He saw them and confronted Ollie, but I don’t recall him or Tommy telling her. So where’s the guilt coming from? And the reasoning behind changing sides to pursue the Hood? C’mon, the “undertaking” was underway years before the Hood made his first appearance, and everyone knows that since it’s public that the bombing of the Queen’s Gambit that shipwrecked Ollie was part of it. NOw everyone died because two archers were fighting? Laurel wasn’t that dumb last season.
How does an 18 year-old with a recent drug arrest just take ownership and management of a bar she doesn’t own, no questions asked? “As long as I’m not drinking?” No liquor board would let Thea keep a license.
Felicity’s repeated fish-wife rants were also out of character. She’s risked her life helping Ollie and Diggle, but she’s ticked about changing from her ill-defined IT job to a role closer to the action that helps preserve his cover?
And Ollie spends all of season one protecting the city and reconnecting with his family, and after the worst disaster in history, leaves town for months. No helping Lauren mourn Tommy, no keeping in touch with his imprisoned mother, no keeping an eye on his kid sister, and letting the family business go to the brink of takeover. That’s not the guy they spent a season developing.
I’m definitely still watching and enjoying. I agree that some of what happened off-season doesn’t necessarily make too much sense, but I think the place we ended up in is an interesting one, so what the heck.
Any predictions on how the cliffhanger resolves itself?
I assume we are assuming that the mysterious female vigilante in the first episode was Summer Glau?
I went back and viewed the fight scene in slow mo and pausing at certain frames. If any of the current female cast was to be the new vigilante, based on the body type and facial structure, my money would be on Emily Bett Rickards.
Two episodes into the second season and I’m already starting to worry about the direction it’s taking. The biggest draw for me was the fact that Oliver had no qualms about killing the bad guys. Now every fight scene has him getting needlessly hurt a ridiculous number of times simply because he’s too busy trying NOT to kill someone who’s obviously willing to kill him. :smack:
Oh, and that Alderman Blood guy just gets on my last nerve.
My problem with the show wasn’t that he would kill - it’s that he *wouldn’t *kill the bad guy after murdering his way through a dozen of the bad guy’s bodyguards, henchmen and mooks.
I’d like to note that the series now features both River Song and River Tam.
Spoiler boxing to not be a dick, in case anyone REALLY doesn’t want to know, but it comes from just watching the show and general DC universe knowledge, not from any show spoilers I’ve come acrossIt’s Laurel “Don’t Call Me Dinah For Some Reason” Lance aka the Black Canary
I would hope so, since he’s Roy Harper, the original Speedy. Wow it’s weird that she has that name in the show… Speedy’s dating Speedy? Really? Though I assume if they ever give him a codename on the show it will either be Arsenal (yay) or Red Arrow (gag me with one of Deathstroke’s swords)
In his defense, he typically needed something from the bad guy, so he kept them alive. And when you’ve killed 20 guys just to get to a guy, he tends to listen when you say you’ll kill him.
What I’d hate is for things to devolve to Joker/Zod levels, where someone kills 50 innocents and gets away because the hero has vowed not to kill. And as I mentioned, the writing around his vow is so clunky. Tommy pretty much didn’t give a damn he killed criminals, really - he was being snarky.
And having Ollie agonize over killing one guy in defense of Shado on the island five months after he, Slade, and Shado wiped out Fyers and his small army? The cold killer that showed up last season can not possibly be a guy who agonized over every kill for 4 years on the island. Those stories should be continuing to show the progression to the Arrow of last season, instead of trying to awkwardly sync up with where he is now.
I’m not sure I’m buying Laurel’s sudden U-turn into Vigilante hatred either.
As others have pointed out, Malcolm started the Undertaking years ago. Presumably Moira Queen has confessed-all and everyone knows how long ago Malcolm’s scheming started, whereas “the Hood” showed up just a few months ago, and clearly tried to stop the Undertaking from occurring. Heck, he even enlisted Laurel’s father to try and shut down the earthquake machine. Doesn’t Laurel talk to her father any more?
Yes, Tommy died saving Laurel from the earthquake in the Glades, and she certainly feels guilty about that, but to blame everything on a man who’s saved her life at least twice that I can recall immediately, plus helped her free an innocent man from Death Row, seems like quite a reach.
Well, a heck of a lot happened that episode… good fun, but happened so fast there was barely time to stop and think about anything.
So the new vigilante is someone trying to escape from the Ras Al Gul Evil League of Evil? And she has some excellent sources of information, if she knew to both show up at the police station to rescue our hero, and then later showed up in time for the showdown with the creepy guy.
Meanwhile Laurel may have gotten past her anti-vigilante fixation, and Moira will be on trial for her life, and the island backstory has taken a massive turn for the different.
Like the show but why on earth would FEMA keep sending shipments to hospitals in the Glades when they keep getting hijacked and the drivers killed? :rolleyes:
They covered a ton of ground in this ep. Black Canary being from the League of Shadows was a surprise - they seem as bad as J Jonah Jameson. He created half Spidey’s enemies financing experiments to create crime fighters who all turned to crime, the League seems to keep training criminals that become heroes.
They already mentioned she worked cases involving women, so it’s possible that she already knew his hideout, but hadn’t hit it since he wasn’t due for a new victim - seeing the text on Roy’s phone told her she had to get there right away. That’s a total fan-wank though - the writers should have at least feinted in that direction.
There was a lot of story arc direction laid out in this episode, unfortunately accompanied by some awful dialogue, and a Detective Lance with a weird accent and who seemed incapable of putting together the blatant clues to figure out who the Arrow really is (including standing right next to him for most of the episode).
DUDE, Lance just stands there while the Arrow orders “Felicity” to do a bunch of tech stuff.
Hmmmm… who else has a tech geek girl named Felicity always hanging around?
For that matter, how many girls named Felicity even ARE THERE in Starling City???
This guy used to be a DETECTIVE? He couldn’t detect his own ASS with two hands, a flashlight, and a copy of “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Finding Your Own Ass.”
He knows that there’s one Felicity, who works with the vigilante and works for Oliver. He also once arrested Oliver as the vigilante and then it was proved to him that he was wrong. Plus the vigilante wears a HOOD and Oliver DOESN’T so how could they be the same person?
