Arsonists- May They Rot In Hell

You should be able to make a submission, **kambuckta **. There will be a web page up when the terms of reference are announced. FWIW, I think there are competing concerns in the media coverage issue, even amongst victims. Yes, some of the reporting has been exploitative, but some of the victims really want their grief to be heard and felt.

Maybe the Royal Commission will find otherwise, but my guess is that the go early or stay and implement your fire plan is the right policy - it’s just that some days there’s nothing you can do. That leaves pretty unpalatable things like compulsory evacuations based on expected weather conditions alone and planning schemes that turn country towns into razed zones as the only real options other than just running the risk.

Are arsonists really to blame for all of this? I had the impression that fires like these easily could be started by natural means.

I’m confused about the motivation. Does Australia have a history of arsonists like this?

Now 130 confirmed dead.

I know it won’t reduce the death toll, but I hope the fires do turn out to be accidental. The idea that someone could set them deliberately, especially in Australia where the consequences are so well known and so potentially devastating, is almost as upsetting as the stories coming out of this.

I’m in Victoria now and will give what I can to the fund - not much though - does anyone know if any volunteers are needed? I’m not an expert or firefighter obviously, but even helping out at temporary shelters…?

There’s no doubt: the Churchill fire was deliberately lit. Some of the burnt out areas have been taped off and are being treated as a crime scene.

The fire that destroyed Kinglake and Marysville at this stage seems to have started naturally according to the CFA guy I was talking to tonight.

This is so horrid that I’m at a loss for words.

I’m just appalled that anyone could be thinking of lighting more fires in the conditions currently prevalent down there. My heart goes out to all those who have taken losses during the,and more to the rescue workers who are having to sift through the debris.

The sad thing is, without wanting to comment on the validity of this claim, the accusation that firefighters might engage in arson is pretty believable. A lot of people get into firefighting for reasons similar to one of the motivations for arsonists: a fascination with fire. Then there can those firefighters who see arson as a way to increase a public perception of a need for their services.

Over 170 people dead, probably still going to rise. :frowning:

From the coverage given in Ireland; this situation looks utterly apalling, my heart truly goes out to all of those affected, in any way by this tragedy.

I will not comment further on my feelings toward anyone who would conceive to carry out such grotesque and cowardly acts, and hope against all certainty that none were actually started maliciously.
I also agree with comments made; that the mercinary way some of the media are interviewing people who are medically ‘in a state of shock’, this is particularly callous.

I Arrive into Melbourne in early March, and if I can offer anything towards assistance it’s a pair of willing hands - again I’m not a firefighter but if anyone local knows of links to voluntary aid/assitance needed, pls get in touch.

The picture at the top of this page shows metal running off the wheels of a truck caught in the fire.* Molten metal*. That was one hot fire.

I only watch the ABC (public free-to-air TV) and they’ve not shown or had anyone do this. Watch commercial TV news at your peril; if their ratings drop when they do that maybe they won’t do it any more.

Aside from money, I’d think donating blood would be of use. Burn victims will still be needing it then, and I imagine stocks will be low too.

Roughly 1000C (1800 - 2000F for us Yanks). Water starts to split into hydrogen and oxygen at around those temps (few hundred degrees more, IIRC). To put it in a grimmer frame of reference, the fires inside the WTC were equally as hot.

On a brighter note, there is this photo of a firefighter and a koala, which is utterly adorable.
Lets hope this nightmare ends soon.

Might not be allowable if donor has lived in UK.

Yup, you’re right, Bathsheba. Also checked the Red Cross site but only permanent residents or visitors with a work visa are allowed to volunteer. Don’t want to hijack the thread with this, so will say no more about it, but if anyone does know a way I can help let me know.

Oh, what a lovely pair of rose-coloured glasses you have on there, can I borrow them? :smiley:

If the place is still being treated as a crime scene, how can anyone be so certain at this point?

Unless accelerants were used, how do you determine where a bush fire started?

Coming up on Today Tonight, we confront the spectacle thief.

I was only gonna* borrow* them Hawthorne. :smiley:

Presumably the crime is without doubt but the fine details still need to be collected.

I don’t know. I suspect that a naturally occurring fire has tell tale signs that a single point arson fire does not or vice versa.

I’m happy to let those who have the expertise work out what’s happened and I’m sure we’ll find out the details in good time.