French TV to show video of US helicopter killing unarmed Iraqis
Thanks a lot, fuckos. I hope you got your jollies. Why don’t you just go to work for Al Jazeera?
How much more of this shit has been going on that didn’t get caught on video or photographed?
Not to take away from the heinousness of the act, but isn’t that old footage? I’m fairly certain that I saw something similar on the Net a while ago.
Iraq is lost, Bush. Give it up.
Worse is yet to come . . . next week, they’re releasing the torture dance video, with Britney Spears . . .
I remember this too, or at least something very similar to the description. Are you sure this is a new incident?
I’m sure this is the same old incident from before. If it is, it’s not “camera footage”, but nightvision footage and as such, you can’t tell if those being pursued are armed or not.
Sam
Like, maybe, the three guys firing an RPG at the helicopter a few minutes before?
Hm…this just popped up on Drudge today and I thought it was new. Maybe it’s just the footage that’s new. I apologize if I’m digging up an old story.
First off, welcome to last year.
a) this video is old
b) the other one you’re thinking of, is of a C-130 lighting up people around a small compund.
both are shot in the same grainy grey nightvision
We don’t know the context of this video at all, but of course I don’t expect people to consider that in their knee jerks.
The real shame is this video is going to piss a lot of people off at the US.
Like, maybe you should get your fucking facts straight before you run your mouth off?
The Iraqis fired nothing at the helipcopter. The old story says they had a suspicious “cylindrical object” but they didn’t fire at anything and it doesn’t sem like it was even confirmed that it was a weapon.
Today’s story says nothing about a cylindrical object and even says the Iraqis “did not appear to be posing any threat.” Where did you get this bullshit about a fired RPG?
I haven’t said much on either of these subjects, Diogenes, because I’ve got vertigo from shaking my head in disbelief, and it never ceases to amaze me what tales people like gato will come up with to make them feel nice and safe and proud of what some of these soldiers are doing.
People assuming three Iraqi guys walking around are trying to shoot down helicopters, people assuming oral rape pictures are fake because our nice polite soldiers would never do such a thing, New Iklander saying that we don’t know for sure that the prisoners didn’t DESERVE rape and threatened electrocution.
It’s hard to believe I know…but we have to face that some of these soldiers and even higher ranking military folks are ASSHOLES, pure and simple. My uncle in law is lifetime army with medals and commendations galore and he thought those torture pictures were “hilarious”. “stupid towelheads”.
Proud to be an American, that’s me. :rolleyes:
Bro, the guy is killed 10 seconds after the video starts, we have no idea what happened before that. If you do, by all means, enlighten us.
I think the video in question is here:
http://schwend-t.web.lynchburg.edu/apache.avi
I have watched it. What one sees is three men getting the fuck blown out of them by a 30mm chain gun.
I have read about this video on other forums, and the story that I heard is something like this: Supposedly, in footage before what is shown in the link, we see the three people pull up to the edge of the field where they place something in the field. Supposedly, the helo crew thinks, being that the field is next to a US military base, that it is some sort of RPG that in the morning will be picked up by the farmer of the field and fired at the military base. The helo crew decide to make the kill.
Other than that, I have no evidence to back up the story, nor a link to the full version of the film.
Linkety-link to an earlier thread that may or may not be about the same video. Probably what y’all are rememberin’.
Yep, same video.
Wouldn’t it be much more likely that they would be setting up a mortar, considering that it was outside a base at night? Some cheap RPGs look just like tubes, but a lot are more complicated shapes. Mortars, however, especially the kind the Iraqis use, are indeed basically just tubes.
The fact remains that the Iraqis did not fire an RPG at the helicopter. Here’s a link to the original ABC story. Do you find any basis in the story to assert that the Apache had been fired on or that the Iraqis even had an RPG?
I know I can’t speak for everyone else, but… personally, I had the same thoughts as gatopescado and World Eater. I don’t delude myself into thinking “our nice polite soldiers would never do such a thing”… I’d just like to give our soldiers the benefit of the doubt, or maybe even assume they’re innocent, until proven guilty.
Granted, in cases like the one involving the pictures showing soldiers giving “thumbs up” while posing prisoners in different ways… I’d hate to be the one trying to persuade others of their innocence.
On preview…
From gato’s and Eater’s posts, I didn’t get the impression that they were trying to blindly convince others of this scenario, only offering a suggestion. Since none of us were actually there to witness the event in its entirety, I would think we should try to get as much information as we can, and keep the jerking knees in check.
LilShieste
So you like to give soldiers the benefit of the doubt, but not three random Iraqi people.
In order to give soldiers the benefit of the doubt we have to assume that these three guys were walking around in a field looking for U.S. Citizens to kill, right?
I didn’t SEE evidence of the iraqis’ doing anything. I did SEE a man in a helicopter, completely free from danger, shoot a man trying to hide under a truck.
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If it were your son in the chopper, what would you want him to do?
fire at the ground to scatter the three men.
fly away.
Copter vs. guy running with an unidentified cylindrical object seems like an uneven battle.
The killing of the third man was plain old calculated revenge murder. He was apparently injured, DOWN, CRAWLING UNDER A TRUCK TO SAVE HIS SKIN and was murdered.