Ask a former blackjack card counter

In addition to what jsc says, there are certain strategies you can use to maximize your comps.

  • Play at crowded tables. There will be fewer hands per hour (less losses for you) but your comps are computed based on time playing and your average bet.

  • Increase your bets when you see the pit boss roaming by.

  • If you’re bringing a significant amount of money (say anything over $1000) call ahead to the casino host department and ask them (nicely) what play at such a level might get you.
    Don’t expect to get a whole lot of freebies via comps. You have to commit to some serious high-roller action to get a free room, for example. Most I ever got was like a 15% discount off the room charge and a bunch of buffet coupons.

And once I got a ticket to Criss Angel’s show at the Luxor. That sucked. No wonder they were giving them away.

LOL!
*The town will never be the same. After the Tangiers, the big corporations took it all over. Today, it looks like Disneyland. And while the kids play cardboard pirates, Mommy and Daddy drop the house payments and Junior’s college money on the poker slots. *

*In the old days, dealers knew your name, what you drank, what you played. Today, it’s like checking into an airport. And if you order room service, you’re lucky if you get it by Thursday. Today, it’s all gone. You get a whale show up with four million in a suitcase, and some twenty-five-year-old hotel school kid is gonna want his Social Security Number. *

After the Teamsters got knocked out of the box, the corporations tore down practically every one of the old casinos. And where did the money come from to rebuild the pyramids? Junk bonds…

-Ace Rothstein in Casino (1995)

I played a lot in Reno. Our whole team got rooms covered and meals for the duration of our stay (2-3 days). We barely were in the rooms though since we were there working. A normal working weekend was arrive Friday evening after work. Eat. Start playing around 9pm. We’d play till about 3-4am then get some rest, usually about 3-4 hours. Wake up and start playing again around 10am till it got crowded around 10pm. Break, sleep, shower, play again. All in all in one weekend trip we’d log about 30+ hours of play per person.

After talking to the casino host we’d tell them we spent so much time there we need to bring back a gift for the g/f and they’d walk us through the gift shop and let us pick out anything they had.

I also got a lot of decks of cards.

In Tahoe I think on the player cards we had something close to $2k in credit. Then we got banned. We got everyone we knew together and ate at the fancy restaurant upstairs and used it all in one meal.

When I asked about the rate of earning, it was like, $5 average bet for 1 hour of play would yield you $1 of credit. If your average bet was $25 in 1 hour you’d get about $5. It wasn’t exactly linear though, if you averaged $100 hour you got much more than $20.

I picked up Blackjack for Blood. Also, a Hoyle Casino Games disc. Unfortunately, I’ve discovered my CD-ROM drive is in-op.

Carlson’s two-level count is fairly basic and not too hard to learn. (IIRC, he starts off with Hi-Lo and then introduces his two-level.) I never played in a casino with anything but Hi-Lo but I’d be interested in hearing from people who have used more complicated counts in actual play.

Bumping this thread to report something curious that just happened to me…

Inspired by this thread, and with an idle moment, I thought I’d practice my counting as suggested upthread – turn the cards over and keep a running count. I pulled out a pack of cards that I’d gotten in my favorite Reno casino; used on the casino floor, but unused by me (still sorted).

I shuffled and started counting. I was consistently off by 1. So just to make sure, I counted the cards. 53. Just to make double-sure, I sorted them by suit.

An extra 6 of Clubs.

WTF? Just a glitch in the process of bundling up the used cards for re-sale…right?

I’ve been playing the Basic Strategy on Hoyle’s Casino game. Mostly using the Basic Strategy, anyway. Every so often I’ll play a hunch. I don’t know how to play poker, so I played 5-card draw and 7-card stud. I lost some money, but the stakes were low. In blackjack, I started out betting $5, then $25, and now I’m betting $100 per hand. I’ve bet $1,000 a few times (once inadvertently, but I won the hand) and it paid off over half the time. I started Casino with $5,000 and I’m at $7,078 now. There are three other (virtual) players in the game.

The Basic Strategy gives rules for when to hit and when to stand. In a nutshell: stand on 17 or higher, stand on anything if the dealer’s up card is 6 or less (aces are higher) unless you have a 12 and the dealer is showing a 2 or 3, and hit everything else unless the dealer shows a 10 card and you have two sevens. I have not been consciously playing (A,6), (A,7), (A,8) strategy, but I seem to have been playing it most of the time. Stand on (A,8), stand on (A,7) unless the dealer shows a 9 or 10, and hit on (A,6). I’ve used the strategies for doubling and splitting when I remember to. This is what I’ve found:

It’s always tough to hit a 12 or higher knowing that there are four times as many 10s in the deck than any other value. Nevertheless, I follow the Basic Strategy. More often than not, I bust. If I don’t bust, it seems the dealer beats my hand more often than I beat his. It’s uncanny how often in this game I’ll have 20 and the dealer will wind up with 21. (This applies no matter how I arrive at 20.) Using the Basic Strategy, I fully expect to bust when I hit a 12 or higher (and am pleasantly surprised when I don’t). My expectations are usually met immediately. But if the dealer is showing more than a 6, I’m supposed to hit until I get to 17 or higher. Sometimes I’ll actually hit three times and not bust. Usually not. The frustrating thing is that often the dealer ends up busting and I should have stood pat with a low hand. So I’m a little dubious. The author of Blackjack For Blood says there are loads of statistics tested over half a century showing that his charts are correct. In this game, hitting a 12 or 13 usually ends with me losing money.

That being said, I am up two grand. Part of that is because I’m not playing with real money and I’ve bet $1,000 a few times and won more often than I lost. I wouldn’t do this in a real game. There are stretches where I have a ‘slow bleed’ and watch my chips disappear. There are other times when I can’t believe how many hands I win in a row. Overall, the Basic Strategy seems to be working more often than it doesn’t; and when I’m not making wild bets, my pot seems to have an overall – but very slow – upward trend. I don’t have the time or disposable funds to go to a casino (In actuality, I do have a C-note left over from the $300 I walked away with from a table in Reno about seven years ago. So I do have that much to play with), but the disinclination to risk real cash has been lessened after trying out the Basic Strategy. I’ll practice and read some more as time permits, and maybe one day I’ll pull off the freeway and try my luck at an actual casino.

It might help to keep this in mind: there are certain plays dictated by basic strategy that aren’t so much about “winning” as “losing somewhat less often”. If you have a 16, and the dealer is showing a 10, you are more than likely going to lose that hand, no matter what your play. When basic strategy tells you to hit in this situation, it’s not doing so telling you that you are going to necessarily going to win by doing this, but by losing less somewhat less often over the long run. Yes, it’s more difficult to logically accept this when it’s, say, a 12 vs. a dealer’s 7 upcard, but the math doesn’t lie.

You also have to keep in mind, like you say, this has been tested and retested and re-retested using computer simulations running millions and millions and millions of runs of these exact situations. The patterns you’re noticing over the short run can’t be trusted.

Indeed, if I’m going to lose, I’d rather lose by doing something than doing nothing. It’s irritating when I don’t bust and get a 20, and the dealer turns up a 21; or when I get 21 and it’s a push. Happens a lot.

Yep.

This morning I’ve lost almost all of my gain over my original stake ($5,000), and have been up to over $7,600. At the moment, I’m at $5,728.