Ask the Bored Virologist!

**CRorex said:

Wow. What a practical thing to do. :smiley: I wonder how the monkeys would feel about having glow in the dark genitals. You know someday humans might really want to have glow in the dark genitals too. It may become the fashion rage of the future. You never know. If it does, we can say we heard about it right here on the SDMB. [giggle]

So, hon, are you still bored? If so, tell me about viruses and bacteria. What’s your favorite one to work with? What’s the most interesting looking virus/bacteria? Why? I know cold viruses mutate, but is there anyway we can come up with how to combat it? Like rather than coming up with a pill to take, strengthening our immune systems somehow? Oh, and why is that the common cold is a virus and can’t be treated with antibiotics, but pneumonia is I presume not a virus and can be treated with antibiotics? What’s so special about pneumonia anyway? Why isn’t pneumonia a virus like the common cold since both the cold and pneumonia have similar symptoms and stuff. Is anthrax and ricin virii or a bacteria? Um, why would anyone in their right mind want to design bioweapons like sarin, ricin, anthrax, or smallpox? There’s no way really to control them once they’re out, and they most likely will come back to infect the folks that released them. There, that ought to be enough questions for you. :slight_smile:

I have the terrible urge to type, “Wait until you get a load of MY test tube!”

Oh well I gave into my urge :slight_smile:

Easy E:

This might get tricky for me to explain.

First off, I’m going to be a TOTAL git, neither HIV nor SIV is a lethal pathogen. However, AIDS can prove fatal but it requires a secondary infection. I’d contrast SIV/HIV to family filoviridae or small pox or the flu. The latter all can cause direct lethal infections.

As for SIV infections being totally benign in all primates, I’m not sure about that. I’ve seen data where SIV infections caused CD4 levels to plummet in infected primates, I’ve worked with highly pathogenic SIV isolates that kill CD4 expressing cells very rapidly.

I’d feel better saying that not all SIV infections result in disease progression.

It has to do with adaption to the host. African Green Monkeys and Sooty Mangabey Monkeys both can be infected for the duration of their lives and not show symptoms of disease and have stable high CD4 counts. In other species, there are different effects–even with virus isolated from those monkeys.

I don’t know very much about the pathogenesis of the various SIV isolates in major species of primate. But I wouldn’t be suprised that is a SIV isolate adapted to a specific speices would have a VERY different course of infection in another species.

There is a lot of research being done trying to find out how and why SIV is less pathogenic than HIV. Mutations within the NEF gene are being heavilly investigated. A few years ago it was found that partial nef knockout mutations would cause a disease progression similar to long-term human non-progressors. They also found that a nef knockout mutant would provide protection against reinfection with a wild-type strain. However, in the last 2 or so years evidence has been found that humans can be infected by multiple strains of HIV.

Which brings up an interesting point which I don’t think gets covered in most public health HIV education. If you’re lucky enough to get infected with a strain of HIV that has the 15-20 year latency period, or you have your infection undercontrol with the drug cocktail therapy you can STILL get infected by another HIV strain.

The second HIV strain might already have multiple drug resistances, or it might be HIV-2 which progresses much faster.

Anyhoo, I digress.

SIV is researched only because of the different pathogenesis in non human primates but also because of the smiliarity in the genes and mechanisms of viral infection and growth. The goal for HIV research isn’t to find a way to change/inhibit the virus so it doesn’t compromise the immunesystem. HIV still has a high mutation rate, and as long as the virus is still in a host it can mutate to regain its pathogenesis or mutate to make the treatment unaffective. We’re already seeing this in the multiple drug resistance strains. We’re trying to find a way to CLEAR the virus. Or failing that, create a vaccine to prevent the next round of people from getting infected.

We’re hoping either for a cure, like with antibiotics and bacterial infections, or for wiping out the disease like we did with small pox and the vaccine.

I’m still rambling a lot mainly because I start typing then think of something interesting to share then I try to get back on track.

I keep wondering with the glowing genital virus if there is some way to link luciferase with increase blood flow.

So… wait for it… when you get aroused your genitals start glowing!

Just think about how it would revolutionize dating! And the criminal justice industry! If a girl likes you, parts of her will start glowing! You’ll know what that creepy guy who keeps staring at you from across the mall is thinking about when his pants start to glow!

cough Man that’s one inside joke that keeps getting wierder and wierder

  1. I’m still bored. Nothing to do today until 2:30-3

  2. I’m not a big fan of working with bacteria. Bacterial cultures generally smell REALLY nasty. See my rant about powdered cow. As for viruses, I’ve only worked with SIV and HIV so far. Of all of those… I think the HIVluc virus is my favorite. It’s an HIV virus with the luciferase gene added into it. So when you infect cells, the viral DNA will incorperate into the genome and the cells will then produce luciferase. I use it to judge between two different treatments which treatment causes for more viral infections. (You take the same number of cells and add the same type of virus and vary things like the viral envelope gene – which effects how the virus enters the cell – or other parts of the virus or cell and see which one generates the most light. We have a machine that reads chemoluminesence.)

  3. Most viruses are regular geometic shapes. That’s because the protein coat (a layer of protective proteins that pack, store and guard the viral genome) are made up 2 or 3 different types of protein and spheres have the most volume and least surface area. Or someting like that. So anyway, most viruses look like soccer balls. A number of the rest are rods. I think most viruses are either rods or spheres. But I’m not really sure.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Ebola

Ebola doesn’t have that sort of shape and I think is the most interesting looking virus I’ve seen so far.

Bacteria are generally rod/spherical shaped. Some have cillia on them to swim. Others have flagella.

  1. The problem with rhino virus (the common cold) is that it mutates SO very very quicky, and it takes a long time to generate a vaccine against it. So by the time you’ve made the vaccine you’ve got a dozen new serotypes of rhino virus. (Serotype- viruses sharing the same antigen. Viral antigen is what the immune system recognizes an what we use for vaccines.) There are some general anti viral agents that act against essential protein functions in the virus. But those are only good until the virus mutates.

  2. The best way to strengthen your immune system is doing all the things that will keep you healthy. Proper nutrition, excersize, sleep. Things that stress the body stress all of the systems IN your body, including your immune system.
    As for stimulating the immune system to ward of disease. We do that with vaccines. The problem is, for the immune system to do something it needs to be exposed to the antigen so you can begin to generate antibodies against the antigen and plasma/memory cells. It takes about 2 weeks for your body to generate antibodies and have a strong immune responce against a pathogen.

  3. Antibiotics are compounds CREATED by microorganisms to kill OTHER microorganisms. It’s a mechanism to out compete other species of critter. We use the antibiotics that aren’t toxic to us. Some antibiotics degrade the cell wall in bacteria (which is a rigid protein coat ontop of the bacterial membrane) since there is a higher osmotic pressure inside the bacteria once the bacteria wall gets a hole, the bacteria will pop and it will die. I believe sulfa drugs do that. The flu is a virus, a family I can’t remember at the moment. Pneumonia I believe can be caused by a bacteria or viral infection. So the treatment would be dependent on the cause.

  4. Anthrax is a bacteria. Ricin is a chemical compound.

  5. Chemical weapons are direct effect weapons. Once you release them the people exposed to them cannot contaminate other people. If you’ve been exposed to Sarin you can’t expose someone else by sneezing on them.
    Anthrax is a non-contagious bacteria. It requires special techniques to be able to infect people by inhiliation. So there really isn’t any danger for secondary infection from someone sick with it.

Small pox can come back and bite you if you would use it as a bioweapon. Because it does transmit fairly easilly, just look at the smallpox outbreaks that happened before the vaccine. I agree with you, a deadly easily transmitted disease does make a poor weapon, you don’t want your army dying of what you tried to infect the other side with.

If you’re going to make a bioweapon. Make something like the flu, a specific strain that you can immunize your army against and then blanket the area with. Your troops won’t get infected. The flu isn’t generally lethal. But most importantly, a soldier with a high fever, body aches and vomiting isn’t going to be able to fight. You will prevent the enemy from fighting, it should be easy to prevent your troops from getting sick, and if it gets into a civilian population… it’s the flu. You take 3 days off work and you get better.

It makes more sense to keep large numbers of people from being able to fight (the concept that you want to wound enemy soldiers since his buddies will go help him and it costs more to treat his wounds than to train a replacement) than to kill them. Think about your reaction to finding out someone used small pox on our military versus finding out that someone used the flu on them.

Still bored, but it’s lunch time. :slight_smile:

Ever thought about popular writing?

Most elected public officials are woefully ignorant of the serious threat of disease. They need a cure for Ignorance, first. I’ve even encountered a handful of county officials that confuse Public Health with Socialized Medicine. Scary, in the age of Biowarfare.
Also, has anything been heard frm that Hong Kong Bird Flu a few years back.

CRorex, thank you for such an interesting and informative post! :slight_smile: So is viral pneumonia the kind that incapcitates folks and puts them in the hospital, while bacteria pneumonia the kind that in lay terms is called “walking pneumonia?”

I’ve gotta run, but I’ll be thinking of some more questions for you that I’ll try to post later. Okay, sweetie?

I keep mucking about with fiction writing but I’m too lazy to finish stories after I outline them. I don’t write about topics in virology. Mainly because… when you get down to looking a emerging diseases it’s a really scary topic. There simply is no way to quickly respond to a new deadly disease that appears. We were lucky that HIV has such a long incubation time and is difficult to transmit. The biggest message people should realize about disease is for science to accomplish anything in a resonsible way, you need time. Lots and lots of time.

And over the last 4 years or so, about the time I really started takign a lot of biology courses in college, how much of the information you getthrough the media about public health is if not flat out wrong, isn’t worded correctly so the wrong implications are drawn from it. The stories about people going out and doing anything possible to get thier hands on a stock of cipro was both funny and irritating because they didn’t need it and they made it harder to get for people who were exposed and had a legitimate reason to take it.

I haven’t heard anything about the Hong Kong Bird Flu recently. And the only story I remember hearing about it was they killed all of the chickens they could find to keep the resiviors (arrg I can’t spell!) of the virus down. (FYI: If you have a species of animal where a specific virus can live without killing off the hosts too rapidly you’re giving the virus a stable enviroment in which to mutate and the longer you allow the virus to mutate the higher the chance that it can jump species. So you kill off the bird population, all of the animals playing host to the virus die so the virus dies off BEFORE the virus happens to mutate and start infecting humans. That’s why there is so much concern when there is a viral outbreak of somethign nasty somewhere in the world to find the reseviors (yay random letters!) you kill the source, you remove the virus. And you get research material w/ a proper host.)

What’s the difference between bronchitis and pneumonia? Tell me all about their molecular structure and stuff. :smiley: That ought to keep you busy.

Now, I must do my work, dangit!

Hrrm apparently there are several types of pneumonia…

Viral pneumonia (caused by flu, adenoviridae, or a number of other respirtory viruses)

Bacterial pneumonia (respiratory bacteria)

Non-bacterial Pneumonia (caused by mycoplasma – microorganisms that have no cell wall and aren’t bacteria)

Then you’ve got walking pneumonia – which is pneumonia which isn’t life threatening, it’ll just make you fairly sick and give you a nasty cough.

Everything but the viral pneumonia would be very easilly treated. Barring drug resistances.

Don’t rush on my account, I’ve got to head into the 3 for a while :frowning:

Err bronchitis and pneumonia? I hope you know you’re getting even farther into clinical microbiology something I’ve got no clue about :slight_smile: I’m more of a cellular/genetic virologist.

I imagine the main difference is the tissue type the pathogens causing those diseases infect. Bronchitis would infect the bronchial tubes where pneumonia would be a lung infection?

It also killed at least 5 people.