Ask the convicted felon.

casdave hit it on the head with most of what he said, although I have two cravats: No smoking was allowed in this particular jail (either of them, I spent 5.5 months downtown and the remainder in a work camp) so Tobacco became a hot item as well. and yes, most (if not all) contraband was smuggled in via anal “suitcasing” as it was called. The material was wrapped in saran wrap and… well you get it. The inmates also make a form of alcohol called “buck” from orange juice and bread. It tastes vaguely like a screwdriver, and will get you f***ed up!
Also, there are no contact visits allowed, so no contraband could be passed that way. The occasional crooked CO would bring us some soda or something (and we were definitely too grateful to tell on him) when I was at the work camp. There are random drug screenings, so I didn’t partake of the abundant drugs that were available–although many inmates would drink diluted bleach to clean their systems, making bleach an even hotter commodity.

On the sex: I didn’t partake, mainly because I found it unappealing. Others who did tried (usually in vain) to keep it a secret, so i would assume that they considered themselves straight. The “receivers” as it were were almost always “out” homosexuals, some of which were cross-dressers on the outside and sported some fairly convincing breasts.
Yes, superbee, the ketchup bottle could get attention on the rare occasion that you got the shower to yourself, or late at night when everyone was asleep (although the CO’s were supposed to be watching, the night shift rarely did–you could get extra charges tacked on if you were caught spanking the yogurt stick)

On the cliques: Most were by race, and I’m morally against such things (I’m white, but the best friend I’ve ever had is black–and no I’m not just saying that, he was the best man at my wedding), so I mingled with everyone as best I could. This didn’t sit well with some (mainly whites), so I was jumped a few times for it.

When I was downtown, the crime demographic was full spectrum, everyone is kept there until sentenced, so there was everyone from rapists and murderers (and one guy that was arrested on sept 14 for having a stun-gun in his carry-on, we thought he was full of it until he was in Newsweek) At the work camp, it was all people who had been given a year or less, so predictably, it was mostly drug offenders (Jacksonville has a major crack problem, so thats what most of them were there for)

Beelzebubba: I hoped to do a little ignorance fighting.
The Ace of Swords: I think both are good ideas, although I’m not sure how well they would work for most of the inmates I was in contact with–they just don’t care.
erislover: I would never want to go back, simply for the reason that it kept me from living my life and nothing is worth missing what I missed (the birth of my first child, my mother’s cancer diagnosis, and many other things. Not to mention being all alone in a room full of people). I feel I’ve always accepted society’s ways (I know it is wrong to steal, and I agree), but desperation can make people do things they normally would consider reprehensible.

dangit, that should be: everyone from rapists and murderers to jaywalkers
Proofreading is good, Guy.

Were you in Huntsville?

Would you have any ideas on how to stop people dividing themselves on racial lines? It can’t be a good plan if we want to keep these people out of jail once they leave (for the most part, there are people that shrug it off).

Also, were there any white-collar criminals you interacted with? What were they like?

Non-consensual sex in UK jails is extremely rare, even in the very long term and high security prisons.

I guess there is a kind of MAD cold war type rule, that is if one prisoner were to rape another, it is highly likely that the victim would seriously injure them sometime later with a weapon, you do not have to be 18 stone and 6’6" tall to kill with a sharpened brush handle or the like.

In one or two jails the extremely long termers effectively live as gay couples, with shared cells.
Truth is that most UK cons are a homophobic lot, gay men in UK jails usually are useful in a fight or hide it completely, or are so camp and overt that no-one bothers them.

In the UK we call sex-offenders, granny bashers and paedophiles ‘nonces’ which is shortened from ‘nonsense’ crimes, the type of crime where there is little or no material gain.

To be recognised or labelled such is an extremely dangerous think to happen, if luvky you may get away with a severe beating before you can be rescued and placed in a vulnerable prisoner unit.

As far as is possible prisoners are kept on normal location, rather than separated, but we do separate out the high risk cons and keep them in differant prisons.

There are many aspects of US prison regimes that I find pretty awful, the jail-rape culture is one, the violence in US jails appeears to be worse, the staff seem to be far less interested in prisoner welfare.
The US seems to use very long terms of imprisonment, the prisons are often in locations that make maintaining family contact difficult, and it also seems there is less sifting of prisoners to various security ratings, everyone seems to get lumped in high security prisons.
There are serious gang and ethnic divisions in US prisons which are far lesser issues in the UK.

UK prisons are fairly brutalising places, which is unlikely to make for a mentally and emotionally stable individual on release, but US prisons seem to be of an order far worse.

We have had one or two prisoners deported from US jails to finish their term off in UK jails, they usually come here extremely withdrawn, which is very telling, and very glad to be in HM Prisons.

What Guy montag calls ‘buck’ is known in UK prisons as ‘hooch’, it is amazing what can be used to make it, it would be better to equate the way that it is consumed as a type of drug in the way that, say ,heroin is a drug, rather than the social lubricant most of us are more familiar with.

What in the hell?

Vanilla: What were you in for?

Also, I might have missed it, but Casdave, what were you in for?

Also, I used to listen to G. Gordon Liddy when he was on (there was nothing else on-BTW) and he used to rant on and on about how criminals were very smart as opposed to the guards. Is this an accurate portrail, or is it more like mainstream society: A few smart ones, a few stupid ones, and a whole bunch of average ones?

Also, any of you try to hatch an escape plan? Or see/know of any people who did in your jail?

I work in a prison, I guess I’m in for my pension :slight_smile:

Criminals on the whole are very poorly educated, and in common with the ignorant, they think the know everything.

The overwhelming majority are mentally and educationally and emotionally stuck at 15 years age or less.

This might seem overly harsh, but it is true, there are some very talented individuals, but the reality is that if you are reasonably well educated then you will make a better living going straight.
Not many criminals as a percentage of the total make a good living over a lifetime of crime.

No surprise, drugs and poverty go together hand in glove.

Shoot, tracer, i don’t know. It was the downtown Cuyahoga County facility. Had I been sentenced, it would’ve been to another place in a different county.

Guin, yes, me, though it seems like another person at the time. I’m not that way.
My former husband was in jail. I viisited him.
He ordered me to bring him weed, which i did, unfortuantely.
First and last offence.
Twas a holiday weekend, so i stayed til Tuesday.
Months later I was sentenced, to probation.

To superbee’s question: yes, in Cleveland, at least, drugs were brought in to the prisoners (and I won’t give details on this) my husband and I touched (and you were supposed to be allowed to).
The food was lousy.

That would be You were NOT supposed to touch the visitors.

Not sure exactly what you mean here… I was incarcerated in Jacksonville, FL, I currently live in Texas (I also lived here before I went to Florida

Montag: What kind of work did you do in the prison camp? What kind of work did you do “downtown” (laundry, kitchen)?

What did you have to wear?

Is it true that you can’t alter your appearance after you’ve been convicted?

Did you marry Fiance? (I assume she’s the mother of your child, since the child was born while you were in.)

i’m also a felon and i can vote…i think it depends on the state one is in…i was convicted at 17 and didn’t realize i could vote until i was 25…read into things and learn your rights…also, you were in jail, go to PRISON where lifers and others with lots of time and you’ll see people getting their shit pushed in…keep thinking it doesn’t happen…sometimes it’s just about payback…

downtown worked on the sanitation crew after I was sentenced (but before I was sent to the work camp). At the p-farm (no idea what it means, it’s just what everyone called the work camp), I tended animals for a while, which was nice because I was mostly unsupervised. Than I got transfered to the ditch crew, chopping overgrown ditches and dodging the occational alligator.

I wore a uniform that looked like hospital scrubs with “Jacksonville Sherrif’s Office INMATE” stenciled on them when I was unsentenced, and a t-shirt and denim pants with the same stencil once I got sentenced. None of the garments had pockets, so we carried things in our socks most of the time

I haven’t heard anything about not altering my apperance, so I guess there is not a rule to that effect in Florida.

Yes, I married my fiance, and we are deliriously happy.

Thank you for answering!

(I was told once, but maybe this only applies in Pennsylvania, that they didn’t want you shaving your beard, for instance, because if you escaped, they wanted you to match your mug shot. Yes, I thought the same thing: “Couldn’t he just shave after he broke out?”)

Has your ability to get a job been effected by your felon status? Do you tell the truth when filling out applications that ask about previous felony convictions?

BTW, your experience in Florida sounds like it was an absolutely horrible situation. I hope you’re doing better now.

What time do you get locked up in the cell at night?

Do you get a TV in your cell or do you have to just sit there gazing at the walls until it’s time to go to sleep?

Do you have to share a cell with another person? If so, could it be possible that that person is a mentally unstable killer? If so, do you have to learn to be a light sleeper?

Did the lifers plan to escape eg by tunneling out under a vaulting horse thingy? Since you were only in for a year it wasn’t worth your while trying to escape but did you idly speculate on how you would escape if you wanted to? What would your plan have been - jump in the back of the laundry truck, over the wall, or steal a guards uniform and try to brazen it out?

Could you have pretended to be mad and then been moved to a lower security hospital where escape may be more feasible?

Yes, it has been extremely hard to get a job since my conviction, and yes, I tell the truth on applications (although I have left bits out at times), it is illegal not to. i am currently trying to support myself, my wife and my son on a minimum wage job at a car wash.

There was no tv of any kind anywhere in jail. I beleive if there had been, there would not have been nearly as many fights (there were at least two a week in my dorm), it would provide a distraction from your fellow inmates (you think you argue alot with your wife? phfft!).

Lockdown time downtown was anywhere from 3pm to 11pm, depending on what kind of mood the guards were in, and yes we shared cells. I jot moved to a different dorm at one point, and the first thing my cellmate said was “I’m gonna kill you tonight, pussy cracker.” I promptly got a cell change. I read about him in an old paper someone had saved: He had just spent 10 years “up the road” (prison)for killing his father. He came home to find his wife in bed with some guy, killed them both, cut her head off, and was found talking to it when the cops arrived. Yeah. I didn’t talk to that guy.
At the p-farm and the lower level(where sentenced inmates stay downtown), there are open bay dorms, no cells, so yes you have to be a light sleeper to avoid towel parties and the like.

There were two escape attempts while I was downtown, neither was successful. I figured a way that would have been foolproof, though I of course never tried it. (nor will I outline it here) At the p-farm, people often ran from their work crews, and were usualy caught.

Could p-farm be short for prison farm?

What did you do to spend the time, especially without a TV? Was this typical? How many hours a day did you spend working? Was there some sort of store where you could buy stuff?