Ask the man who's having a religious experience RIGHT NOW!

Great Debates
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Praise Jesus!!! Praise the Buddha!!! Praise ALL that is holy! Praise ALL that is evil!

NO ONE has EVER felt like this before! Everything is LOVE to me! Everything is so painfully, agonizingly BEAUTIFUL that I can’t stop crying out loud!!! The screeen and what I write is practically unreadable thru my tears but EVERYTHING is so perfectly clear and VISIBLE to me that I feel like I have 0-10,000,000 vision – I can see at 10 million feet what normal people can only see at zero feet!!

For the first time in my LIFE I BELIEVE WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that JESUS is GOD! Hoqw is this possible??? Am I insanse? YES! I MUST be! THEN WHY doesn’t it feel like insanity? I STILL do not believe in God the Father, and I STILLL do not believe in God the holy spirit, so HOW can I BELIEVE in JESUS as GOD? it doesn’t matter. I do. No, I don’t beLIEVE it, I KNOW it!

I also KNOW that no two human beings have EVER communicated with each other. I still cannot believe in psychic powers or the supernatural or anything mysterious so I must still be a little bit sane, right? BUT: I KNOW that Jesus is Lord. QWHY didn’t He make it so we could actually talk to one another? Why didn’t he make so we could UNDERSTAND one another?

It is IMPOSSIBLE to get you to understand what I am feeling or how I KNOW everything – EVERYTHING! Newton and Einstein are fools and idiots compared to me, ywet at the same time I know that such a statement is the stupidest statement EVER made!

I have NEVER felt ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE! But I remember having two or three experiences after listing to Beethoven that I KNEW were religious exeperiences – at the time – but NOTHING can com[pare to THIS! ONly7 Jesus could have given me this gift. But JESUS PLEASE LET ME STOP CRYING!!

My mind is telling me that all this is wrong, that I’m having some kind of episode. BUT I HAVE TAKEN NO DRUGS AND I HAVE DRUNK NO ALCHOL! I never drink and I never take drugs, although I used to many, many years ago (mostly just Pot, but I took LSD twice and Ecstacy four times.

So, if humans cannot communicate why did I ask you to ask me questions? I can’t solve relativity and cannot even READ Newton, so how could I be smarter than them like I said? I DON"T KNOW! Maybe because I am now the most honest man On The Planet. Dear Jesus I know I used to tell LIES but you’ve made me an Honest Man! (Thjat’s a JOKE!)

Somehow, I know I have to sleep – my mind is telling me that. It knows I am now sick, even though I feel like I have NEVER been better that has got to me a mistake. so: I will go to bed soon and I have no idea if I will still be sick when I wake up. I’ll stay up another hour; maybe two, then I will have to go to SLEEP.

so ask me your questions now and I’ll try to anweer trhem.

Martin

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How do you know you are having a religious experience and not just a feeling of general euphoria which you are attributing to religion?

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JoJo asks: “How do you know you are having a religious experience and not just a feeling of general euphoria which you are attributing to religion?”

I honestly do NOT know what to call it. It’s GOT TO BE a religious experience if this is the first time since I was a kid that i belieeved in Jesus right? I was raised catholic but even when i was in grade school i kjew that Jesus and God were bullshit. Especially the holy ghost! who could EVER belive in THAT?

But today I KNOW that Jesuis is GOD! I dnot know HOW I know it! Could I be wrong? OGF COURSE! even now I know that I nbever believed in jesus before — so how can I do now? It’s GOT to be a religious experience because its about religion, right?
but I truly want to know if i’m wrong, so help me out

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Hey! I’ve stopped crying! Praise Jesus!

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Hey! I know how I KNOW everything! I just finished reading the other day Bill Bryon’s “Short history of EVERYTHING”!

(that’s a joke, too!)

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If you had been born and brought up in a buddhist country (or a hindu or muslim country) do you think you would still be focusing on Jesus as the object of your experience? Or do you think you are only getting a “Jesus” message because that is what you are culturally familiar with?

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Q: Why is this in GD?

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A LSD flashback? (j/k)

Probably not. But the raw significance may be genuine, inspite of the conscious post-facto categorization.

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Tomcat
Charter Member asks: “Q: Why is this in GD?”
First is because this is about GREAT thing! GOD/JESUS ARE GREAT! What could be greawer?
Second is becase this is a debate. aren’t we arguing?

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Jojo asks: "If you had been born and brought up in a buddhist country (or a hindu or muslim country) do you think you would still be focusing on Jesus as the object of your experience? Or do you think you are only getting a “Jesus” message because that is what you are culturally familiar with? ":
I know America is all about Jesus, so since I am from America than Jesus is my first thought. You are right.

But isn’t Jesus in other countries too? What about that?

But didn’t I say “praise buddha?” I love Buddha. He is the wisest man who ever lived. I know I’m supposed to say Jesus is, but I honestly think Buddha was. The Eight-Fold Way! The Middle Path! How could anyone else be so wise? But he’s not in Heaven, is he?

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Jojo also asked about Muslim. I HATE muslims. They are the biggest killers in the world, as I read in the book END OF FAITH by Sam Harris. He showed how their book is full of hate and evil and killing and extreme pain, wose than the crusaders and modern Christians, who are EXTREMELY evil.

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Look, I better not say that. Please ignore it, ok?

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Maybe but I don’t think so. My two LSD experiences were dark and unpleasant in the extreme. I was an EXTREME idiot for trying it the second tme. How can people be that EXTREMELY stupid? But this, this is nothing but beatiful! This is the most wonderously lovely and gratififying and beautiful experience ANYONE’s ever had let alone me!

I have no idea what “conscious post-facto categorization” means. Would you please explain it?

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It means you had a special experience, and based on your existing dispositions of what could generate such experience, assigned it to God/Jesus.

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Oj, JoJo, Hinduism is pretty great, too. Except I hate the caste system it set up.

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My parents are going to think this was caused by an Ambien attack. It wasn’t! I did NOT take Ambien or any other drug! I didn’t even take trazadone.

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“It means you had a special experience, and based on your existing dispositions of what could generate such experience, assigned it to God/Jesus.”

That makes sense. I think I understand what you were saying. You’re probably right, since I never belived in God or Jesus before except when I was a kid.

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Since this is just a “special experience”, I should probably “go bed” (or whatever tor Johnson said in MST3K episode.)
G’night!

(oh, no, I’ve probably made a fool of myself, didn’t I?) Oh, no!

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Probably, a bad idea!

CMC

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Uh huh. How about build up in the blood stream? Call your doctor. Do it now.
(rdl)