Ask the Muslim Guy

I can’t recall if anyone asked this or not.

Are there any female religious/prayer leaders in Islam? If so, do they function in the same capacity as male leaders do? Do they have the same titles of respect as the male leaders, or is it different. If there are not any female religious/prayer leaders in any sect of Islam, why? Is it just a cultural thing, and women just haven’t pushed to do so yet, or does the Qur’an expressly forbid females being religious/prayer leaders? Take your time with this.

Oh, and Australian Muslim, Alaikum Salaam. I think that’s the proper response. If not and I’ve made some kind of faux pas, my apologies. At any rate, welcome to the boards, though I wish it was under better circumstances! :slight_smile:

**Ask The Muslim Guy should be nominated for some kind of special award. ** Or ** I learned in a doper message board about religion than I ever did in parochial school. **[sub]My Mother would like a refund of 12 years of tuition, please. [/sub]

That said, (if this has been asked, please ignore.)

You converted to Islam in 1983. What religion did you follow, and what was the general reason for the conversion?

(Some one asked this above, but I thought it was quite good) What are your favorite aspects of your faith?

Keep up the great work and remember: *Trust Allah but always tie your camel *

One more question and I promise I’m leaving:
How long did you lurk here before de-lurking?

(At the rate you are going with Ask The Muslim Guy, alone, you will have a 1000 posts by the end of the week.

I eagerly await the sequel Threads: Return of the Muslim Guy, and Muslim Guy Cage Match.
:slight_smile:

[sub]I’m usually not allowed out of MPSIMS, for obvious reasons. Stream of Conscienciousness Mental Drivel is just not for everyone. [/sub]

Oh, look, there is the door.

Assalamu Alaikum, Muslim Guy.

I am an Egyptian Muslim who’s born and raised in Europe and the States. I just wanted to tell you how great of a job you’re doing trying to get rid of some of the misconseptions about Islam. Insha’ Allah you will be rewarded for all your hard work and effort.

Your knowledge of Islam puts me to shame although I was born a Muslim. You have inspired me to give more effort than I currently am to help educate the general public about Islam.

I just wanted to send you my regards and tell you that, Insha’ Allah, you will be rewarded greatly for your good deads on this Bulletin Board and that I will be making Duah for you.

Wassalam,

Badreddin Edris, Sunnyvale, CA USA

PS. I am seven juz’s away from finishing the Qur’an. Please make Duah for me to be able to succesfully finish the memorization of the Qur’an and to be able to help teach and educate others.

Greetings again, wise and learned Muslim Guy.

After you catch your breath, I would love to hear your impressions of President W’s speech tonight.

Ok, muslim guys, I feel much better about humanity in general than I did a week ago. Thanks in large part to the OMG and others who have stepped in to lend him a hand on this thread. Thanks.
While I’m not a religious person, I am spiritual in nature. But my spirit was shaken by what happened on that dreadful day, and I found it hard to hold onto my belief that people of all faiths are mostly good. I’ve known several muslims, and I knew that none like them could be responsible for such an act as befell the poor folks on that fateful day. But it did happen, and part of the islamic world seemed to revel in the carnage. Now I have some understanding why. Some.
Thanks again. My heart feels better.
Is there any way, within the islamic tradition, to put a stop to such bastardization (only word I can think of) of your belief system? Does Allah ever intervene?
Is there anything I (we?) can do?
Peace,
mangeorge

Thanks Muslim Guy! I thought I knew a lot about Islam before I read this thread and now I realise I didn’t know anything!

Just one question, and I’m sorry to keep bringing things back to this: what is the Islamic law that the Taleban in Afghanistan use? Is it some kind of law written in the Qu’raan? If so, do all Islamic states use it?

Many Thanks

First off, thanks SO MUCH for offering to reduce our ignorance! Right now that’s gotta be a full-time job!

I’ve heard a LOT about (whoever) declaring a jihad against the U.S. Now, I’ve looked up what I can about it, but most of what I found didn’t answer my question.
I realize there are different kinds of jihads, and I’ve read about a “Greater Jihad” and a “Lesser Jihad”, but I’ve been wondering…

If, say, the Taliban declares a Jihad (sp?) against the US, who is obligated to participate? Is it like the Teamsters who don’t cross picket lines, even if it’s not their chapter that’s on strike, or is it a personal thing, or what?

I’m sorry, that really sounds frivolous…I’m not trying to be; I’m not trolling; but I really am trying to understand.

Thanks.

Muslim Guy

I wonder if you could comment on the article in the Palestinian Times (news section), titled “350 Muslim scholars confirm legitimacy of martyrdom operations”?

I would gather from your posts to this thread that you would disagree with this position (unless you are distinguishing between attacks on Israeli civilians and attacks on others - if so please clarify). My question to you is what is your assessment of theologians such as the ones quoted? Are they legitimate theologians? If not, by what standard might they be judged as such? Particularly from the perspective of non-Muslims such as myself, how might one distinguish a legitimate Muslim theologian from a fanatic?

Great interesting & informative thread - Well done, Muslim Guy.

I was just flicking through your résumé and I see that you converted 17 years ago - I’d like to know what relegion were you before that and were you as dedicated to that as you are to Islam?
And what was it about The Autobiography of Malcolm X that made you want to convert?

Could you talk about the concept of Jihad, which I believe means Holy War? What does it mean, is it from the Qur’an or from Islamic traditon, and so on?

I ran across a quote on this page:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010921/ts/attack_afghan_dc_35.html
which read “Jihad is the soul of Islam.” Do you agree?

Thanks to Muslim Guy and Temerlane and everyone else for lighting this particular flame in the darkness.

My own question regards Sufiism. From what I understand, Sufis consider themselves Muslim, but most/many other Muslim sects consider that Sufiism “strays from the path of the Prophet”. Is this correct? If so, what are teh particular points of contention?

I have three, all needing different styles of answers:

The Historical:

Why was the Caliphate(sp?) never restored?
The Speculative:

How would Islam be different today if it (the Caliphate) we’re still around?

The Practical:

How hard is it for someone to get permission to pilgramage to Mecca? I mean, do they have a standing easy in/easy out policy from some countries (ones with Islam as a state religion) and other (such as the US) need to fill out some paperwork or get a note from a local Cleric? Or can anyone just appear at Mecca and say they are a Muslim?

Sorry if that last one is annoying, I just always wondered how they seperated true Muslims from sneaky tourists.

Sniffing back around the historical questions :wink: :

Spiritus Mundi: Sufism is Islamic ascetism and mysticism. In the Islamic context it traces back to known items in the Koran and Hadith - notably Muhammed’s documented respect for Christian acetics, especially a monk named Bahira; the ascetic lifestyle that seemed to be favored by Muhammed and his Companions; certain passages and stories that seem to speak to mystical insight and inner journeys by Muhammed, etc. . In more practical terms it appears the rise of Sufism in a big way after the tenth century, may be tied directly to exposure to Hindu thought and belief ( surprisingly enough, Islam and Hinduism synergize fairly well - the Sikh faith is just the best known of these synergies and most Indian Muslims communities were probably converted by Sufi missionaries ).

In general Sufism is a reach towards direct contact with the divine presense, the achievement of personal unity with the creator. To reach this unity varying Sufi orders following differing paths ( many complete with discrete stages ) that would lead to mystic knowledge of God. Thus the Sufis in general are often associated with meditation, yoga, and other rituals designed to clear the mind/achieve a higher consciousness.

There are myriad Sufi orders of many different types. Some are quite orthodox and are pretty much fully accepted by mainstream Islam. Some have verged on what mainstream Islam would consider the heretical. And there are a hundred different varieties in between those two poles. In addition many Sufi orders have been explicitly political and have functioned more as “Brotherhoods”, exclusive socieities like the Masons that set themselves apart by ritual. The Ottoman Janissaries, for instance, were closely linked with one particular Sufi order. The Safavid dynasty of Iran ( that converted Iran, largely by force, from a predominantly Sunni state to a predominantly Shi’ite one in the 16th century ) started as a very heterodox ( and borderline heretical ) Shi’ite Sufi sect.

Sufism exists outside ( or within, however you prefer to word it ) the boundaries of Sunnism and Shi’ism. So one can be both a Sufi and a Sunni. Sufism is more a philosophical approach to Islam, rather than a legalistic one.

Mr. Miskatonic:

Well, it was. After the Mongol sack of Baghdad in 1258, at least a few member of the Abbasid dynasty escaped to Syria and Egypt. Several different rival claimants were recognized by several factions in the chaos of the time. One attempted counterattack ( a pretty pathetic one ) into Iraq by the leading claimant, who had taken the name al-Mustansir, financed ( sparsely, perhaps deliberately so ) by the Mamelukes, failed miserably in 1261. One of his relatives fled back to the Mamelukes and was accepted as the Caliph al-Hakim by the Sultan, Baybars. Subsequently the Caliphate continued to be maintained in Cairo by the Mamelukes as a prestige item. Later the post was moved to Ottoman control after the conquest of Mameluke Egypt. But under both the Mamelukes and the Ottomans, the Caliph had a ceremonial function only and absolutely no independant authority.

If you’re asking why the Caliphate never recoved as an independent entity, it’s because they were forced to flee from Iraq to Egypt with virtually no resources. In that situation they were easy to exploit and once locked into a position of powerless figurehead ( and everybody and their cousin realized they were an appointed stooge of the Sultan ), they were easy to keep that way.

Never say never, but in light of the above - I doubt it.

With his and your permission, I’ll leave that one for Muslim Guy :slight_smile: .

  • Tamerlane

A few more quick comments that maybe Muslim Guy or others could feel free to elaborate on.

Planet Stu: The Taliban are members of the Wahhabi sect of Sunni Islam, which was founded on the Arabian penninsula in the mid-18th century by Muhammed ibn Abd al-Wahhab and later adopted and championed by the ibn Saud family of Dir’iyah. It is currently practiced in Saudi Arabia, a couple of other Gulf States ( like the UAE ) and the Taliban ( Saudi missionaries exported the faith to Afghan refugee camps during the Afghan-Soviet war ). Osama bin Laden is an adherent.

In essence it is a reactionary, puritanical sect that rejects all innovation introduced into Islam after about the tenth century. So Sufism, for example, is considered heresy. And any other orthodox tradition that tolerates or compromise with what they label as “perversions” ( i.e. more modern theological thought ) are considered open to attack.

The Islamic law the Taliban use is essentially from the Hanbali school of Sunni jurisprudence, the strictes and most rigid of the four main schools in existence today. It adheres fairly fanatically to a supposed “letter-of-the-law” reading of the Koran and Hadith. In addition the Taliban ( and, it could be argued, the Wahhabi’s in general ) seem to have introduced a lot of dubious interpretations that appear to be more related to local conservative social conventions, than the Koran per se.

kfwilkinson: The weasley answer to your question is - “Whoever decides the call to Jihad is legitimate in this case.” Unfortunately that’s about as far as one can go. Sunnism, as Mulim Guy has pointed out and Izzy has run across, doesn’t have anything approaching a true clergy with a well-organized hiearchy. Instead it has “learned men” who make pronouncements. The extent to which they are acknowledged has to do with a wide range of factors, including public opinion on the issue, the extent of their personal following, the extent to which the secular government recognizes their authority, the opinions of other clerics on the issue and them, etc. .

So the actual answer to your question is “everyone” ( Islam enjoins participation in Jihad as a duty ) and “no one” ( but who’s to say this is a legitimate Jihad? ). Not a lotta help, is it :wink: ?

Izzy: The only comment I’d like to make on your question is that their are literally tens of thousands of “theologians” of that stripe issuing those decrees. Islam, particularly Sunni Islam, has a pretty loose definition of “theologian”. They could be anybody from a person with a degree in Islamic Theology from a western-style university, to a village mullah who was trained to perform simple rites by the previous guy. About the only thing they would all be certain to have in common, is sufficient literacy to slog through the Koran in the original Arabic. Otherwise, requirements are pretty open-ended ( and, to the best of my knowledge, there is no universal grading method ). So 350 is not such a large number and at any rate, the number is irrelevant, I think. It’s their individual and collective pull that makes the difference. In this case, I admit I don’t know what that equates to.

Pantagruel: Jihad has a few meanings. One is the spirtual struggle with one’s self ( Jihad literally means “struggle” - the religious dimension, i.e.“Holy”, is implicit, but not part of the actual word ) .

The other is a cognate of “Holy War” ( though in fact, that exact term is not used in the Koran, ). Although I think one can make an argument that it is essentially defensive in concept ( sanctioned warfare against those who fight Muslims on religious grounds or seek to drive them from their homes ), in the application it has just as often been offensive. One is reminded of the phrase, “the best defense is a good offense” :wink: . Unfortunately, like most everything else in Islam ( or Judeo-Christian religion generally ), the question of when a military Jihad is mandated can be a thorny issue.

For example, I believe one can chart one of Osama bin Laden’s justifications thusly ( note, it should go without saying, but I don’t necessarily agree with any of the below ):
1.)Israel drives Muslims from their homes.
2.) The U.S. government provides support to Israel that directly or indirectly facilitates this action. Therefore it is complicit in these crimes.
3.) U.S. citizens support the U.S.government by paying taxes and not rising up to prevent this support. Therefore they are complicit in these crimes.
4.) Therefore it is permissable to target U.S. civilians.

QUITE a stretch. And in the opinion of most Muslims, I think, quite un-Islamic. Also, I’m pretty sure the Israel situation is not bin Laden’s biggest single beef. But you can see how one can start reaching for justification.

As to whether Jihad is the “soul of Islam” - Well, in what sense? The inner spiritual struggle or the military resistance to enemies of Islam? If we are talking about the spiritual side of the coin, I think that might just be applicable :wink: . To the Taliban, that have been fighting from day one, and are militant fanatics, it’s easy to see why they might focus on the armed struggle.

But maybe Muslim Guy can shed some light on that aspect.

  • Tamerlane

How is a jihad (such as OBL’s) satisfied, or finished?
Peace,
mangeorge

Brief correction:

Izzy: I meant to say there are tens of thousands that could make pretension to an office of some limited religious authority in Sunni Islam, not that tens of thousands actually signed decrees like that. Sorry about the lack of clarity.

Brief additional comment:

Mr Miskatonic: If you were speculating about what would Islam look like today if the Abbasid Caliphate had not been crushed as an independant power ( albeit a very regional one at that point ) by the Mongols, then my answer is - I don’t know ( :wink: ) and I’m not sure if there is enough information to make a viable speculation about 750 years of altered history. But it sure is an interesting question :slight_smile: .

Brief cop-out:

Mangeorge: I’m honestly not sure. I think the whole concept is nebulous enough to be open-ended, but I wouldn’t swear to it. I’ll try sticking my nose in a book or two, but in the interim maybe Muslim Guy can come in and give a better answer :slight_smile: .

  • Tamerlane

I don’t have any new questions at this time (thanks again for answering my earlier ones), but I just wanted to offer my opinion that this has been one of the finest threads I’ve ever read on the SDMB.

Thanks, Muslim Guy, for answering my question, and for giving such thoughtful answers to all these questions.

I do know of Dr. Chisti; his writing, and one of his courses, is where I’ve found knowledge of Unani medicine.

My tongue is lolling oddly in my cheek from the RA Wilson 23 connection. Yeah, I’m a fan of his. Hoo boy…

I do have other questions, but you really have your hands full at the moment. Thank you, and peace be with you for being most illuminating in a time of darkness.

To my knowledge (and I hope I’m recalling this correctly- I’d hunt online, but this 2400 baud modem is not conducive to research, especially on graphics-heavy pages) the caliphiate technically existed until Atatürk abolished it in 1924.

That is, after the Abbasids fled to Egypt, they remained there until the Ottomans conquered in 1517 and Selim I decided that he was the caliph. Fast-forward four centuries, and Muhammad VI was deposed by Atatürk and the republic of Turkey created. Muhammad VI’s cousin Abd al-Majid succeeded as caliph until Atatürk got around to that, too. Not that it exercised much temporal authority after the Mongol conquest, as Tamerlane said…

Although it is an enjoyable mental exercise to discuss ‘what if’, I doubt I have enough knowledge of the intervening years to make a remotely-educated guess.