jumblemind wrote:
It worked! I’ve invaded your mind! Mua ha ha ha ha!!
Does your drug use aid or conflict with your theism?
I think the presence of marijuana and other ‘mind-expanding’ drugs might be usable as an argument for some kind of plan behind evolution - or maybe not, there ARE other rational explanations for the existence of such natural chemicals.
I was an atheist until the first time I took acid…then I wasn’t so sure there was nothing supernatural, and started considering myself agnostic. My next step away from agnosticism, being fairly certain that there IS a higher power had nothing to do with drugs, though.
Baditz:
glad you started this thread. I don’t have kids yet, and hopefully won’t anytime soon (too young!), but I think a lot about how I will compromise my choice of recreation with having kids, and this thread’s been useful in visualizing the situation better.
About LSD–how much did you experiment with it, and how long ago? It just seems strange that you’ve never had a flashback. I never even did it that much, and I’ve had several, at really odd times. They’ve never been harmful, I agree with whoever said they were really quite amusing (like free acid!), but I’ve had 'em nonetheless. Well, that may also be due to the fact that I did lots of mushrooms; I don’t know if those make you more prone to flashbacks or what, but I’m sure they don’t help the situation. FTR, though, IMHO they are more fun and more controllable, and factually less hazardous to the health (though not a part of this balanced breakfast).
As to this remark–
could you expound a little? Sounds like this could be interesting.
The reason I vrought up adrenaline was that it could be used as a combat-enhancing drug, by itself or in conjunction with PCP.
Ever gotten into any fights while high/tripped/stoned? Was the pain more or worse? Could you fight?
I haven’t been in a fight since I was 11. I used to be pretty non-confrontational and could talk my way out of most of those kinds of situations, then when I was 14 I grew 6 inches in as many months and became pretty intimidating in appearance (I am currently 6’5" and 275 lbs.) and nobody picked on me anymore.
The only time I recall getting hurt while on anything besides alcohol was one time when I bit into a Slim Jim that was still in the wrapper while on LSD. I think the acid intensified the pain, but I was still laughing through the pain because I was surrounded with people I was very comfortable with.
I’ve been punched a couple of times while drunk and it didn’t hurt at all, which was probably why the punches didn’t lead to fights - one time I started laughing at the guy and saying that was no way to punch someone, and started punching myself in the face. He freaked out and ran away. Turns out he landed a pretty good one on me, and I put a few bruises on my face myself.
I’ve dropped acid MAYBE 10 times in my life. I was definitely not a regular user.
**wring **:
I didn’t misunderstand your post.
I disagree that the friend is avoiding personal responsability. While I am not a parent, I don’t see the problem with disciplining a child while avoiding discipline for illegal activities. Unless, of course, the child needed to be disciplined for drug use. In that case I would think the trusty old “I’m an adult and you are not” nonargument would work. Besides, from what little I know about raising a child, reasoning with the little barbarians is a fruitless course of action.
I think that the friend is teaching his child a valuable lesson. Legal does not equal right and illegal does not equal wrong. I have met people who seem to have never heard of this concept. Where were their parents?
Blind obedience to authority is far more dangerous than drug use. The way to explain to your child why you are disobeying the law is to teach them that they need to examine laws and decide for themselves which ones they should obey and what consequences they might face if they choose not to. In other words, parents should teach their kids not just what to think but how to think.
There is no “laws we must obey” teaching dilemma.
Badtz—did you ever combine any of the drugs you took? Trying to look for the right combo that just made you feel…right there? Maybe start off with a couple hits of acid. Wait till you could just feel it, then take a couple hits of X. Smoking a nice fat blunt inbetween. Now you’re feeling pretty good, and decide that you need that boost. So you fill up a balloon with your nitrous tank, sit back, and take a couple deep breaths from the balloon. WOW!!! After you’ve mixed and matched the above four for a few more hours you decide it’s time to chill. Let everything wear off a bit and then pop a couple 2mg xanax. Smoke a little more…sip some single malt scotch aged 15 years…“What’s that?”…“I don’t know.” Then you go to bed and wake up feeling pretty good, for someone that just did all that shit (aka THE QUINELLA).
Badtzu - I appologize to you first. You’ve started an interesting thread and I’ve come to understand your position a lot better. However, some one has taken me on a statement I made to you, and I felt that I could rest that issue aside in one single additional post. PLease forgive.
Really? Let’s see. Personal responsibility usually means to take responsibility/consequences for one’s own actions. If you disagree with the law, think it’s immoral and should be abolished, fine. Ghandi, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. both led movements to abolish laws they felt were immoral. The really big difference, however, is that neither avoided the ** consequences ** of disobeying the law.
You are entitled to your opinion. I stand by mine, that to involve one’s minor child in an attempt to thwart consequences to one’s own behavior, is at best, of questionable value.
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Absolutely. But, as I have pointed out above, if you believe a law to be immoral and unjust, than you should work towards changing it, move to where the law doesn’t exist and/or be prepared to take the full consequences of your actions.
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gee, it seems that you DID agree that one should be prepared to take the consequences, but apparently, only the child should be - since you started with the parent should be allowed to avoid the consequences of THEIR behavior.
The parent’s only consequense of the actions was that he had to use his sons urine. Changing the consequences of a action is not avoiding it.
wring:
I replied in the new thread but I didn’t see this as a hijack. Badtz Maru opened a general drug thread in GD. I would think that he was looking for various arguments concerning controlled substances.
I am sure that if he doesn’t get them then this thread won’t be hanging around.