Ask the Termite and Pest Control Guy, Part II

Do you recommend getting termite inspections done regularly, regardless of evidence of a problem? We have lived in our house for just over 2 years and had an inspection done before we bought it, is it time to inspect again? We have no reason to believe we have them now. Our house is brick, does this make a difference?

We regularly get fliers and such advertising termite inspections and preventive service and I wonder how proactive we should be. We are in West Michigan, if that matters. I haven’t heard of termite problems in other houses in our area, but I know it can happen.

I know how much damage they can do and I hate to let a problem get out of hand when we could have prevented it.

Also, this is probably out of your field, but if you have any advice on getting a skunk to move out from under our shed, I’m taking all suggestions.

Hamlet, I would not spray for roaches. I would use a bait in a gel formulation. It looks like peanut butter and comes in a syringe-type applicator so it can be injected into the cracks and crevices where roaches hide.

One of the dastardly habits of roaches is to drop an egg case (if they’re carrying one) when they are sprayed. Egg cases will hatch in about 30 days, with the end result being that for every one roach you kill with a spray, several dozen will take its place in a month. Baits, however, use their natural instincts against them. They are eating machines, and injecting bait right where they’ll come across it first is so insidious, it gives me great joy. Plus, roaches are cannibalistic. So they’ll eat a dead roach when they come across it, and if that roach died of poisoning…heh heh heh.

You might ask the exterminator to spray Gentrol, which is an insect growth regulator for roaches. It has no effect on any other organisms, but it affects their ability to mate. That, coupled with baiting, should help a lot. But give it time. A roach infestation can take several months and several applications to solve.

Spavined Gelding, I’m unfamiliar with Asian Soya Bean Aphid Beetles. Frankly, they sound like a species of the garden-variety lady bug, albeit with a few nastier habits. Lady bugs are beetles, and they prey on aphids. Same difference, no? I’d call your local cooperative extension and ask them about it, if I were you.

As far as Box Elder Beetles go, there’s not much you can do there, either, short of locating the tree they call home and chopping it down. Spraying the outside of the house (especially the side where the sun hits the most) might maybe create an aversion factor, and also kill some of the ones that land there. It would pretty definitely keep them from getting inside the house. But there are some things for which there are no easy solutions.

Eliphalet, sealing the obvious access points is always a good idea. You could also keep traps in the crawlspace in the event they find another way in. Provided the cats don’t traffic in there, the traps won’t hurt anything by their presence, and it may save you some grief. The only other alternative is placing locked bait stations along the outside wall. I would recommend that you have a professional do this, since liability could be an issue, and there may be specific methods of anchoring the stations dictated by law, which a pro would know and you wouldn’t. An ounce of prevention, don’t you know.

This raises the question, though, of whether the restaurant has a regular pest control service. Laws differe from state to state (and even county to county), but in my neck of the woods, any food service establishment is required to have pest control, or they’ll be shut down by the Board of Health. Since the restaurant’s dumpster is contributing to the rat problem, the onus may fall on them. It’s worth checking out.

As far as pigeons go, I don’t really do bird control. But I know that bird spikes are available online. Since they’re non-toxic and non-chemical, they should be available to unlicensed folk such as yourself. Whether such a treatment is appropriate for an awning is for you to decide.

Interesting name, Eliphalet. I had a forefather named David Eliphalet Scott. Fortunately, my folks decided to name me David.

WomanofScorn, you’ve gone and given away the industry’s best-kept secret! Yeah, most of the stuff we use is pretty much available over the counter. Frankly, it’s training and experience that makes a pest tech more effective.

The wasps may be nesting inside a wall. Or behind siding, or wherever there is a gap on the ouside of the house. Not to scandalize anyone, but pretty much every house is chock full of tiny holes and cracks and openings that don’t compromise their integrity as houses, but which do provide the window of opportunity that insects seek. Wasps and other flying social insects try to build their nests in protected areas. Constructing a nest under a deck, or behind a window shutter allows them easy access, but keeps them fairly safe from birds and other predators. I often find them nesting inside walls and behind siding.

Observe them as they swarm outside the house. They probably have a single focal point, and if you watch long enough, you’ll probably see where they’re entering and exiting. Once you’ve found that place, wait until sunset. That’s when most of them have returned to the nest for the night. Then take a dust formulation labelled for wasps and poof it into the hole, or whatever access point you found. Be careful, because you may stir a few and they may fly out, so take care not to get stung, and if you’re on a ladder, watch your step. But if you were successful in hitting the nest, the problem should be solved within 24 hours.

HoldOnThere, if the silverfish are in the upstairs rooms, they’re probably coming from the attic. If possible, I would recommend buying a couple of cans of fogger and setting them off in the attic. Read the label to make sure you’re using enough for the square footage you’re treating. Such over the counter foggers have effective insecticides, but are not residual sprays, and when used in a closed space, will not contaminate areas outside the treated space. Read and follow label directions, especially if you store things in the attic. More than one application will probably be necessary. Every three weeks for about nine weeks should do it.

nyctea scandiaca, the ants aren’t coming from the drain. They going to the drain. They’re attracted to the water remaining there. I would spray or dust in the wall voids under and around the sink and tub. As far as the crickets go, it’s easy for little insects like that to find a suitable crack to crawl through. Some glueboards will catch a few of them, and if you have access to the basement or crawlspace, I’d recommend a granular bait set out in little plastic trays here and there.

Velma, the termite problem in west Michigan isn’t as dire as in, say, Georgia or Louisiana, but there are termites out there.

Getting an inspection every five years or so isn’t a bad idea. You could get an inspection every couple of years if it makes you sleep better. Just remember, termite “inspectors” are really salespeople, and they offer free inspections to get their foot in the door. If they find something, they can point it out to you and hopefully get a sale. If they don’t find something, they’ll tell you that termites are in your neighborhood (which they probably are), and that a preventive treatment is a good idea.

Meh.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. Termites can show up any time in any house, but I don’t know if that justifies shelling out the money for the treatment and then paying the annual contract renewal. Again, if it makes you sleep better knowing you’ve had it done, you might as well. But if you have the house inspected every two or three years, if termites get in, they won’t cause too much damage before you catch it.

Sorry, I forgot about this auxiliary question.

Short answer: I don’t do skunks.

Long answer: You should probably call a professional trapping service. Some things are worth paying someone else to deal with.

Dave, thanks for the advice.

They are just the ordinary little black ones.

No basement - no floorboards - just a solid floor.

Ok, this is where i always go wrong - someone qualified such as yourself gives me sound advice, then i bugger orf and ask loads of other people too. Nearly everyone is swearing by a particular product -won’t say it’s name here incase breaching some advertising rule - but i will say it is a liquid bait that is supposed to attract them - they then take it back to the nest and feed it to the others, including the queen. It then poisons them. It is supposed to take from 7 to 10 days to work. Supposedly, once the queen is dead, that spells the end for the colony(?). Actually, I also intended to use the dust stuff, but then found that you should only use the bait alone to increase the chances of more ants taking the bait back to poison the rest of the colony, and hopefully the queen.

So, there i go, i put down the bait (last night), where they have been appearing between the lounge and kitchen, and ONE pops out and appears to stop for a snack, goes back to where it came from, then appears for another snack - in all it did this about 10 times. It was the only one. About 3 others came out and went scurrying around the lounge and kitchen, not taking the bait. :frowning:

Similar performance tonight - but this time, one pops out, and just runs around the bait, intermittently stopping, then runs round in an outward spiral, then back again, then out again (the sod must be dizzy by now!) - then five popped out and scurried all around the kitchen - not taking the bait :confused:

Now, all i hope that is happening here is that they have checked out the bait, thought “mmm very nice, but let’s check the whole area out, and if that is all there is, let’s feast on it”. And indeed, that is all they will find as this house has been scrubbed from top t’ bottom. And all food stuffs are sealed away. All crumbs (if any at all) get mopped up as soon and they are spilt.

Two of the five are still running round the spotless, crumbless kitchen floor.

It looks like this is a waiting game. Should i just leave the ants to arse about the floor in the hope they get the point and take the bait?

I also put bait round the perimeter of the external walls. No idea what effect that is having.

If i have the energy and inclination (been a tough week and i am exhausted :frowning: ), i will be going round the house this weekend sealing up all gaps; there are the gaps at the bottom of the doorway where the ants are emerging from, but there are loads of gaps between the skirting boards and floors as the house settles. Oh joy - i work at work and now i have to work at home (me much hate DIY :mad: ).

Anyway, thanks again Dave for taking the time to advise on this troublesome issue - and if you have any further advice (on my ignoring your advice to use the dust or spray - sorry 'bout that :stuck_out_tongue: ) in reference to my latest info and queries, cheers again.

My big concern would be hanta-virus in the mouse droppings. Hanta-virus produce an acute pneumonia that cannot be treated with anti-biotics and that can kill a person in a matter of hours. They make a big deal here in the west about not sweeping up or vacuming mouse droppings, but picking them up with a wet cloth, after spraying with a water-bleach solution.

Dave, your opinion? do you have to take precautions for hanta-virus in your job?

Update

Wake up this morning to find about 7 ants running around the kitchen floor, not taking the bait - but there is nothing for them on the floor. :confused:

Staking out their territory before they feed away on the only source of food (the bait) ? This is one long stakeout and it is only a small kitchen. What the hell are they doing? :frowning:

I am tmepted to kill 'em as i don’t know how long i can wait now for them to go for the bait - i will probably end up treading on them as i potter about the house anyway. Bah.

…Forgot to mention - until now, they have never been out and about in the morning before, just the evening, and the only difference is the bait being out. So it is making a difference, but not the difference i would have hoped for.

Mind you, previously i always killed the ones that were out in the evening, which may explain the lack of morning ants - and they just came out in the evening looking for their mates who still had not returned :smiley: . And these “morning ants” are possibly the ones i left alone last night (although there were only 2 when i left for bed).

At the worse, i expected a line of ants marching between the bait and their hiding place. Maybe this is a sign that there are not actually that many ants present in my house - that i possibly do not have a colony - or the queen is now dead, and the remining ones are like “whado we do now”?

Any ideas?

Great thread!

I have one question, purely out of curiousity - I get there very large centepedes living in my house (at least large by my standards! 2-3 inches long). I know they are carnivorous - but I never see any other bugs! What do these suckers eat?

Does the job pay well?

nemesis, placement of bait is just as important as which bait you use. You should place whatever you’re using as close to their access point as possible, so it will be almost impossible for them to ignore it.

There’s the possibility they aren’t using your kitchen for their primary food source, so any bait you use won’t be all that effective.

Keep in mind that baits take time to work, also. If you want to continue with the baiting regimen for a couple of days, I’m not offended. They’re your ants, after all. But should you decide to dust or spray, you have my advice. Good luck.

trupa, I don’t wear any respiratory gear when I treat for mice, but then, I’m not cleaning up after them, after.

While the threat of hanta virus is real, I think it’s somewhat overblown. That’s just my opinion, of course, and any risk I incur is my own responsibility. But it should be a factor when dealing with mice. Not as great as the general factors I outlined, IMO, though.

Malthus, are any of your neighbors missing their pets or children?

Seriously, centipedes are carnivorous, but it doesn’t take a lot to fill them up, either. One or two ants or crickets would do it.

Also, while they’re in your house, they probably don’t live there. Centipedes like dark, moist places (which is why you always see them when you lift up a rock or a log outside). They get into people’s homes because they’re stupid. They come out at night, or early in the morning, when it’s not real sunny and hot, and there’s dew on the ground. But then it warms up and dryies out, and they need to go someplace. Some of them, rather than burrowing back into the ground, get into the basement. Or else, they wandered in and were too flummoxed to find their way out again. But more than likely they live outside for the most part, and they can find lots of nummies there.

qts, I ain’t complaining. I don’t know how other companies pay their techs, since I’ve only worked in the pest industry for this one employer. But I am paid a percentage of the jobs I do. In other words, if a customer pays $40 for their service, I am paid a flat percentage of that. At the end of the month, my production is added up and sent to payroll. The following month, I get my commission.

It’s a sliding scale, based on how much production a tech does, and how long he’s been an employee. There’s also a couple of bonuses I am entitled to if I meet certain criteria.

In a very good month, I can make a flat 25% of my production. And I’ve had months where I had $20,000 or more in production. You do the math.

Also, I’m capable of selling contracts should the opportunity arise. Thus, I get sales commission (which is separate from my production), a percentage of the production for doing the initial service, and it increases my route charges in the future.

As I said, I ain’t complaining.

You know, since i put the bait down, i have been perplexed as to why they were not taking to it in the way i expected. Nowt in this here kitchen for them except the bait.

But you have probably hit the nail on the head there with your comment i have quoted - this location is not their main food source.

Reading the labelling of the bait product, it itself states that the ants are only controlled if it is their main food source.

Ahaa! A get out clause for the manufacturers.

If my kitchen aint the main food source, hopefully they will not be too bothered if i caulk the main entry points and they will bugger off, and use their main food source, wherever that is (hopefully outside) and leave me alone. I am hoping they only get in where they do as it is easy access, and they are foraging creatures of opportunity(?). If it is difficult to get to, they will not bother if there is somewhere easier to access.

Dave - thanks again for your expert advice, it is much appreciated, - in once simple sentence you have cut through all my wiffle waffle with a precise concise answer that has probably solved the riddle of their lack of enthusiasm for the bait, and steered me in the right direction for effective control of these little sods.

Dave I did as you instructed.
On, sunday, I dusted some insecticide where I thought they might be coming in.

And it worked!

Well, so far.

I haven’t seen any ants the the last two days.
So far, so good.

Thanks!

Our little house in the Catskills has I’d say a medium wasp problem. They seem to magically appear out of thin air inside the house. I’ll round up maybe 3-6 before they wake up from us turning on the heat, then I’ll kill maybe 3 or 4 over the course of a weekend. At one point I found the spot where they came in and sprayed it. That was pretty successful as wasp after wasp fell out of the hole. But they still get in from other places. I’ve spotted and sprayed a few ‘starter’ nests on the outside of the house and even one on my motorcycle. Our deck is on the sunny side of the house and they hang out so much around there we don’t want to take our girls out. I check for nests under the deck and haven’t found any.

Anyway, my wife wants to fumigate the whole house. I’d rather not. What do you think? If we called an exterminator what do you think he would do?

Emerald Ash Borers!

These critters tunnel around in the live layer of wood just inside the bark of ash trees. Once they fully go around the trunk, the tree dies. EAB’s have been found about 100 miles north of here, and it’s just a matter of time before they’ll be in my backyard, trying to eat my tree. I got most of this from a Googly search, along with a site which claims to have “the only cure.”

What they use is imidacloprid, which Bayer® calls Merit®. They put it on the ground, and the roots suck it into the whole tree. I bought some Bayer tree & shrub insecticide with imidacloprid at Lowe’s.

What’s your take on this?
Will it work?
Is it the only way?

Now I’m REALLY bummed. I took a tape measure out to measure the circumference of my ash tree, so I’d know how much imidacloprid to use (68 inches, I’ll have to buy some more stuff.) Right in front of my face was a hole a little smaller than a pencil. Ants were busily dumping out wood shavings, which I now know is called frass. There is a pile of it on the ground. Arrrrrgh! There I was, preparing to save my tree from emerald ash borers, and the flippin’ carpenter ants got there first.

Last summer, I had my black locust tree taken down, because I was tired of dealing with the annual mess of hard seed pods. Before I was finished cutting up all that wood, a windstorm took down half of our beautiful Bradford pear tree. The only tree left in the backyard is the ash, and now it’s infested with carpenter ants.

I feel terrible, just terrible.