At some point will Marvel & DC comic book fans finally get exhausted by all the continuity changes?

Then, again, why does there “have” to be a continuity? Let’s look at The Simpsons as a parallel. They’ve been around for more than 20 years now. No one has grown older, yet they still have “simpson-like” misadventures no matter the time period. Back when I was collecting/reading 20 years ago, my favorite book was “Legends of the Dark Knight.” They were standalone storylines that lasted 3 issues or so and didn’t necessarily exist in any present day continuity. Then, they started crossing over LOTDK with other titles and I lost all interest. Why can’t they just have stories where Batman fights crime in his Batman-like way, and if it’s 2011 we can assume his parents were shot 20 years ago in 1991 or so?

I’ve been watching a lot of Columbo on DVD since Peter Falk died and I wonder if a character like that could be done today with the use of all the modern techniques used in crime fighting nowadays. Then I thought, but you know what? Who says it has to be set in today’s world? We could remake Columbo and have it set in the early 1970s and have him rely on his wits just as he did in the original episodes. It’s the story, not necessarily the continuity that matters, in my opinion.

I’m told this is called Women in Refrigerators. No idea how long it’s been since that list was updated, but it’s sad to look at. A number of DC heroines on it, too.

I just read about that. How could they? Peter was a good guy (and I mean in the sense of being a good person, not just a hero). I stopped reading/collecting comics years ago, and I was still sad to hear this.

When a character’s backstory gets too convoluted, some kind of purge is necessary. The X-books are totally unreadable now. Punisher was a seminarian before he went to Vietnam? That got ditched pretty quick. Do you realize how many times the “friendly neighborhood” Spider-Man has been in space? Something like fifteen, which really inconveniences the “seven year” rule. I see nothing wrong with flushing 90% of past stories if it will help attract new readers.

To be fair, we are talking about “Ultimate Spiderman” which takes place in a parallel Universe. Peter Parker is still very much alive in the regular universe. Marvel’s “Ultimate” imprint was the basis for my Ultimate Archie joke upthread, in that the Publisher has more than one continuity for the same character going on at the same time due to parallel Earths. Wikipedia entry for Ultimate Marvel

Stuffed Into The Fridge. Warning: TV Tropes. Drastic loss of time may occur. Proceed at your own risk.

TV Tropes has a more up-to-date list, although they’ve expanded the category to include any such thing happening to someone a protagonist cares about, so not all of them are “WOMEN”, as such, in refrigerators.

Honestly, I don’t think there really is much of a “new generation of fans.” Even if a 12 year old wanted to get into comics for some reason, he’d be hard-pressed to afford them. So they aren’t the target audience. This is particularly the case at DC, as seen by all the recent throwbacks to the Silver Age in recent years.

It’s a terrible list, based on a flawed concept.

“Not every woman in comics has been killed, raped, depowered, crippled, turned evil, maimed, tortured, contracted a disease or had other life-derailing tragedies befall her, but […] it’s hard to think up exceptions.”

Replace the word “woman” with “man” and it’ll be just as accurate a statement. Modern comics love to torture their heroes.

That’s not true when it comes to trade paperbacks - I have a lot of library patrons in the young teens looking for “Batman books”. I don’t know what the hell to tell them. I swear, this comic book continuity thing is one of those things that I just don’t have the chromosome to comprehend. I have comic book friends, but I didn’t realize how much people actually care about all of it until I started dating a serious comic book guy. I’m with somebody upthread - why on earth can’t you just have some Batman Stories? About Batman fighting some damned crime?

What’s that you say Cliffy? Only jerks quote long posts they wrote on other message boards?

Yes, Other Cliffy, but this is right on point and I’m much too lazy to try rephrasing it (from a discussion of the terrible things that befall women on Joss Whedon TV shows, but you can ignore the particular context]:

I’m not a big fan of the whole Women in Refrigerators thing. I get it, but it’s the side-effect of a larger problem, which is that women are accessories in stories to male heroes. The women aren’t tortured because authors love torturing women (or audiences love seeing it); they’re tortured because “person important to hero is in jeopardy” is a powerful story, and it’s frequently a woman that fits that bill.

That’s not a positive status quo; female characters do have a disturbing lack of agency, but decrying Women in Refrigerators is saying the symptom is the disease. It’s dumb because there’s no way to treat that symptom without attacking the root cause, and those who claim otherwise make it really easy to dismiss the problem, because that is so clearly not it.

But even if you’re a devotee of the WiR line of reasoning, the reason Joss Whedon in particular writes a lot of stories in which terrible things happen to women is that he writes a lot of stories in which terrible things happen to people, and he includes a lot of women characters that do have agency and aren’t simply accoutrements to protagonists. I doubt very much that the solution to that problem would be to rewrite Buffy, one of the most explicitly feminist shows ever created, with an all-male cast.

I don’t mean to be a complete Whedon apologist here, as some of his stuff is less easily swallowed. But if we list every terrible thing that’s happened to a woman in fiction and say it’s part of the problem regardless of circumstance, then the only solution is to not include female characters, period.

I note in passing that Gail Simone, who coined the term Women in Refrigerators, recently wrote a comic (quite a good one) in which, when the female protagonist told her boyfriend she was pregnant, he beat her and held her head underwater until she lost consciousness and would have drowned if his parents hadn’t intervened. Also, a couple issues earlier, said protagonist’s sister was stabbed in the neck with a fork. Both of those incidents would have been decried as exactly what needs to be fought against if the author had a Y chromosome instead of being originator of the movemynt. (Oh yeah, the boyfriend also planned to rape them both to death.)

–Cliffy

I see your woman in the fridge, and raise you a Woman in a Garbage can.

Unfortunately, I xn;t think of a better heartbreaking eulogy than from Big Bird and Oscar the Grouch.

I’ll take the real McCoy any day:

The Simpsons does have it’s own continuity and it’s been used as a joke from time to time. Continuity just means that the show is internally consistent. In a comedy like The Simpsons, it’s okay if the time line and geography changes on occasion. However, when the writers do something that spits in the face of established continuity it tends to piss fans off. That’s why Harry Shearer disliked about the episode that revealed Principal Skinner was actually a man named Armin Tamzarian. He felt that it was an insulting to fans of the show.

I read comics religiously in the 1960’s through the 1980’s. Then I got burned out.

In the 2000’s I was turned on to The Ultimates, The Authority, Planetary, Fables and others. I enjoy good writing and art and I really don’t care about continuity any more.