So do you believe that I have a coin in my pocket? (P.S. I haven’t checked) “I don’t know” doesn’t answer the question. “We can’t know” doesn’t answer the question. It’s not about whether you know, it’s about whether you believe. Do you believe that I have at least one coin in my pocket? Congrats, you are a theist. Do you not believe that I have at least one coin in my pocket? Congrats, you are an atheist. There is no fence to straddle here, unless your dismissal of logic earlier in the thread includes a dismissal of the law of the excluded middle. You either believe something… or you don’t. Whether or not you know it has nothing to do with whether or not you believe it.
I have no problem going on the assumption that the god described in the JudeoChristian scripture doesn’t exist. If it did exist, it’s clearly capable of making its existence known and demonstrable, since it’s frequently described doing so in that same scripture.
I realize this is a snappy response, but the honest answer is that, as silly as it may be to hold a firm belief in one direction or another on this question, there really is no middle to it - either I believe you have a coin in your pocket, or I don’t. “I don’t know” (or, in this case, more relevantly, “I don’t care”) doesn’t actually answer the question, it just presents my unwillingness to answer the question.
I may not have any justification to believe either way. Given that you have pockets, and given the propensity of coins in pockets, my priors would lead me to believe that, yes, you most likely have a coin in your pocket. But I am nonetheless forced to alter my model of reality to some degree based on that belief. In the case of the coin in your pocket: not really any significant change whatsoever. In the case of god: quite a bit of very significant change.
Given the observed existence of coins and pockets I would put the odds pretty high that you have a coin in your pocket.
If you tell me that you have an infallibe three sided magic prognostication coin in a pocket which only you can reach in to, then forgive me for expressing doubt.
It’s incredible how egocentric so many people are. “Freedom of Religion” means YOU have a right to believe/worship/etc how YOU choose. It doesn’t mean you are free to force your beliefs on others. As a Christian who has actually read and studied the New Testament, I’m astounded by how many self-proclaimed Christians have absolutely no idea what it is they so ardently purport to believe.
Budget was talking about belief. Now you are talking about odds. I forgive you for anything. Have your doubts. I have doubts too. This thread is not a valuable use of my time. Enjoy.
If God exists, and he’s read this thread, who do you think is going to heaven, and who is going to hell?
Which god?
Swan out all you like but just remember, nobody asked you to come in here and post in the first place. Bye Felicia.
All this complaining, whining and arguing, some even about the title. But no-one has yet complained about “trys”.
I don’t know The Dope anymore 
<pirate> ARGH!!! </pirate>
Sorry, had to change the topic from the zeke shitshow it has become. What a maroon.
Well, if by “God” you specifically mean the god described in the JudeoChristian scripture, then I don’t know since the formula had always been unclear to me.
But let’s go full Pascal’s Wager and say the believers and the people who act like believers go to heaven and the nonbelievers go to hell.
What’s your point? All you’ve done is double-down on the mythlogy.
Who says any god that might exist added the afterlife DLC, or even cares what happens here at all? Well, lots of people say that, but why should we believe they know the score?
A pirate should be marooned if he’s a moron.
As far as I know She didn’t speak of any “heaven” or “hell”, but there is mention of the Underworld, where the dead go.
Dieu or dieu not, there is no trys.
Please leave.
I think I’ve asked here a few times; how much of the popular conception of heaven and hell is based on scripture, and how much of it is due to latter day fan-fiction writers like Dante and Milton?
I was actually speaking of a goddess that was worshiped long before there were Judaeo-Christian scriptures, and probably for a longer period of time(if you include both of Her names).
Oh, I’m not challenging that Yahweh is derived from earlier myths, just asking about the modern depictions of the afterlife and their scriptural support, if any.
On reflection, my comment would have been better served if written in reply to Morgenstern’s initial reference to heaven and hell, as part of asking what he (?) thinks heaven and hell are actually like, and based on what.