Actually that’s exactly how it works, truths are found by faith, facts are found by the methods you are referring to. facts =/= truths
That is your opinion 
My God is Lord Jesus, what you are in the process of doing is called crucifying the Lord - this is the exact reason that He was nailed to the cross. Calling someone devoted to Love for all mankind as evil. He accepted it willingly for you and you are already forgiven.
There’s one reality. Something is true or it’s not. Having faith that something is true does not make it so. It can’t, or opposing faiths would both be true and in many cases that’s not logically possible.
Right, that’s why I said “I doubt…” It’s an opinion based on my experiences with what others on this board will find convincing. Having a theory based on faith what a phrase is supposed to mean that goes against actual evidence for how a word in that phrase is defined is going to be unconvincing for critical thinkers. But that’s only my opinion.
Look, find me a foxhole, I will get in it, and then you will see an atheist in a foxhole.
Also, if you don’t think watching an RPG fly at your truck is being in a foxhole, I would suggest that you try it, and tell me how many options you saw…
^ You’re directing your post at me for what reason?
Not intended. Tapatalk has issues. That’s not the post I tried to quote.
This is what I tried to quote. (Hope it works!)
Fucking nihilists, say what you want about the National Socialists party, at least its an ethos.
I’ve read the novel and I don’t remember any character being explicitly atheist.
None of them are explicitly much of anything. It’s a very post-modern scenario in that sense. But there is a lot of doubt in authority, the church, and god throughout the novel, including in the foxholes. I think this suggests that the fact of being in a foxhole (a) does not make you a theist and (b) does not require you to pray to any god.
Relevant Cracked article: 10 Things Christians and Atheists Can (And Must) Agree On | Cracked.com
Meh. Religion and the religious aren’t as nice or useful as he’s claiming, and atheism isn’t dependent on religious attitudes to be moral. And he falls in with the extremely insulting religious lie that equates atheism and Stalin. It’s an article that tries to create a false equivalence between the two sides; a common tactic with people trying to defend religion.
I don’t really know what an “Episcopalian” is, any more than I know or care what a “Pentecostal” or “Baptist” is. Seemingly, it’s just another one of these stupid religious terms that people use an excuse for acting like pricks.
Denominational religion makes about as much sense to me as being a “Purplist” when watching the Wiggles or the Teletubbies.
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I believe the saying is derived from ‘there is a point where everyone will cry out to God’, you may not have reached that yet in your situation, you may never need to get tot that point as you may chose to believe before that, but if not you will hit that ultimate point, if it be a foxhole, hell, lake of fire, or outer darkness itself - for everyone, even the devil there is that point.
The NAinFH saying attempts to bring this to our limited existence in this life, and the saying may even have been created by a person without understanding of eternal soul-life. But by doing this statement is made untrue, there are certainly atheists in foxholes and beyond. But also correct in the spiritual sense as we define the foxhole as the dead end cry out to God point.
God is not bound by your understanding of logic, and yes they all can be true even though you can’t understand it.
When one holds God up to their own standards, they tend to discredit God from acting outside their standards, which causes one to fight against God, to kill God (as in Jesus) for things like healing outside the rules that the person has defined as valid. This goes more to the homeopathic reference above then the linked post.
Or perhaps a easier way to understand it is that they are all on the roads back to God, people take different paths, contradictory paths, some heading north, some south, passing each other, but each one is on exactly the correct path.
I’ve almost died several times, and I think “HOLY SHIT” is the closest I ever got to praying to some sort of invisible sky fairy.
Pure nonsense. People who genuinely don’t believe in God aren’t ever going to be “brought to that point”, no matter how bad the situation.
If God isn’t bound by logic, then there is nothing else we can say about it and everyone should just shut up on the matter.
But of course, believers love to claim that God is mysterious and unknowable and beyond logic when people try to argue against them, then they turn around and go into great detail on what their god is like and what he wants. They want it both ways.
We weren’t talking about God at all in the above exchange. You were telling me how truths are found and that facts aren’t the same as truths. Telling me about the nature of God is not a rebuttal to my rebuttal. Just telling me that two opposing statements can be true at the same time but I can’t understand why is just an empty claim. I suppose that facts do equal truths “even though you can’t understand it” also?
God vs. Logic
kanicbird vs. Der Trihs…
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And Czarcasm, the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers would beg to differ with you and your ideas.