If it’s real sensitivity to real offense (swastikas and the Holocoaust), that is a real issue. If it’s feigned sensitivity to a pretend offense (this nonsense), it isn’t. Swastikas are, for better or worse, more affiliated with Nazis than anything else and will be for the foreseeable future. Monkeys can have a racist overtone to be sure, but are more affiliated with non-racist things by a vast amount than anything else. Sometimes (often. more often than not) a monkey is just a monkey.
It’s nuts to refuse to use a symbol that represents thousands of years of history to placate some idiots that are imagining insensitivity.
This is simply a road you can’t go down because once you start there’s no end. We’ve gotten to the point in society where it’s only a tiny exaggeration to say that no matter what you do, someone is going to be offended. When Facebook adds 500 choices for gender identification people get offended. Some are offended their choice isn’t included. Others get offended that it doesn’t include their choice. Even more get offended that Facebook makes you choose at all. Even more still are offended that we’ve gotten to the point where 500 gender identifications are needed.
I’m pretty sure you can connect anything with imagined offense. How dare the Sacramento mascot be the Kings? Kings oppressed people, started countless wars, raped and murdered at will. It’s offensive for us to honor them! Plus it’s insensitive to anyone who has suffered gang violence from the Latin Kings.
In this hypothetical, if people don’t want to see swastikas on Holocaust Remembrance Day then they shouldn’t have picked the date of this Hindu festival for Holocaust Remembrance Day.
Why, do you think we might be related?
Let me use a better example, then. Let’s say I walk through your neighborhood with a tee shirt of a brother fucking his sister behind a mobile home. Wouldn’t that anger you and your neighbors?
Why, do you think we might be related?
What if they’re not imagining it?
So it’s okay to put swastikas anywhere, on any day? It’s not rude to fly Confederate flags in front of black people? No problem with white hoods?
I’m just arguing for being good neighbors – no legal requirement, just what I think is neighborly and courteous. It’s rude to display swastikas where Jews might see them (unless it’s absolutely clear it’s a Hindu cultural symbol); it’s rude to display the Confederate flag where black people might see it; and it’s rude to use other symbols that match past racist imagery unless it’s absolutely clear what the context is. I don’t think it was absolutely clear in the case of the OP, so the action taken was appropriate.
How dare Jews complain about swastikas? How dare black people complain about white hoods and Confederate flags? How dare Native Americans complain about that town with the town seal of a white dude strangling a Native American?
There was no festival in the hypothetical – the Hindu cultural celebration could have been picked for any day, and by coincidence they chose Holocaust Remembrance Day. Once they realized that, wouldn’t it be prudent to change the date?
So we disagree on this imagery – not that it’s racist (the CNY is not racist, nor is monkey imagery in the context of the CNY) – but it might be perceived as racist, on the first day of BHM, by people unfamiliar with the CNY. In light of that, if one wants to be a good neighbor, it seems wise to present the CNY celebration in a slightly different way. If they had been smarter to begin with, they could have had a week long build up and education about all the animal imagery, and presented the monkey symbol in a way that made the context clear (like putting the monkey in traditional Chinese garb, perhaps doing battle with the mascots of the Kings’ opponents or something).
You think graphic sex is the same as a random monkey? You can’t be serious.
Are you saying that blacks are so uncivilized they can’t handle a picture of a monkey on a shirt? That’s racist.
Love how posters are trying to pretzel logic this thread into me being a racist when it was a black player who pointed the tee shirt out to the Kings.
You said black people are savage who get riled up over a picture. Not I. I believe black people see an innocent picture of a monkey as just that.
What if it’s graphic monkey sex?
My position is that I like most cartoon monkeys - yes, even Curious George and whichever one hangs out with Dora the Explorer. I am happy China picked a year to celebrate them. I can see why other people might not like them though. Not all wildlife is for everyone and monkeys can be assholes sometimes.
Ain’t nothing wrong with that.
Well played. (Seriously)
Sure. In India, Japan, Korea and most of the rest of asia it is anyway. And note Hinduism and Buddhism and Bon (Tibetan animist religion) use both variations of the swastika, clockwise and counter clockwise.
You and me baby ain’t nothin’ but mammals
So let’s do it like they do on the Discovery Channel
OOOOOO ho ho hoo-ho ho!!! I feel so owned!!!
Hey, Miss Piggy, maybe you can track down Mister Dribble and have fucktard sex, odds are both of you losers will produce more pinhead babies than that Zika Virus, you fucking freaks.
Takes me up on my challenge then, asshole.
Put on the shirt, and walk through Harlem. Prove me wrong.
I asked about NYC on Holocaust remembrance day…