Australia and Other Things

So, I have moved to Australia from the US and married my love. This is the good part.

I’ve been here a few months this time and it’s lovely, I really like Sydney, but…(didn’t you know there was a but coming?)

It’s sort of like I’ve dropped my American self into an alternate universe. A place where everything is almost right, and things are pretty much the same, but subtly different enough to really screw you up if you’re not careful.

For example, I know - intellectually, mind you - that the traffic goes the opposite way. (The wrong way, I used to say, but my arm got sore and I kept having to say “owie!” when my lovely SO smacked me in a playful manner for saying that, so I stopped. Now it goes the opposite way.) But I still look the way I was taught to look in kindergarden, and so am usually a hairsbreadth away from being run over. We think we look both ways when we cross the street, but really we don’t. Now I have to check for which way the parked cars are pointed, and look according to that, unless I’m in the CBD (another weirdness, that’s downtown in my head) and there’s still helpfully painted for idiots like me little signs at streetcorners that say “look left” or “look right”. And we won’t discuss the fact that I utterly refuse to sit in the front seat of cars and taxis, because the whole feeling of turning into oncoming (in my mind) traffic freaks me out badly. We won’t talk about that, because my SO and my friends here talk about it enough. And they think it’s funny.

In another attack of surreality, the grocery store looks almost the same - but it’s not. Eggs are out of the refrigerator. For weeks I thought they were waiting to be put in a refrigerator, but no, they just sit there. Biscuits are scones, cookies are biscuits, and crackers are for Christmas. I wanted cilantro, and had to do a Googling to find out it’s coriander. Cheese isn’t orange! It’s more of the “dropped into an alternate universe” syndrome. Until I groked to the fact that a pound is roughly half a kilo, I bought enough meat to feed the third world.

In other surreality moments, I’ve been flummoxed by the fact that the light switch is on the other side of the door - and it’s on and off positions are reversed. You can bring wine to the restaurant with you, and most people don’t tip. (That’s odd on two levels, and strangely satisfying - I feel like I’m getting away with “sneaking” wine into a restaurant and not leaving a 15% tip.) There’s more than one flusher on most toilets (and idiot me had to ask why :rolleyes: )

There’s no Cherrios. Anywhere. (And believe me, I’ve been over half of Sydney looking!) Or grape jelly. Or cinnamon candy. No Tootsie Rolls. How is one expected to survive without these necessities? (Though when I point out to my SO that there’s no Jarra coffee or Vegemite in the US, he swears he’s nevereverever going!)

I went to the CBD to find a frame for a cross-stich I’d done for a friend. It occurred to me that if I were dropped into any mid-size or larger American city, I’d still have no problem finding one. Just look for any one of two or three chain-type craft stores, and viola, frame to be had. Another alternate universe moment - Sydney reminds me of a cross between Chicago and San Francisco, but there’s no familiar things like that. I can find the mall, but still have no idea where to go from there. (Frame was found, but only after I located a friend who works in the CBD and cried for help. ;))

The music for the Channel 9 News is the same as the music for one of the major (I forget which - NBC, I think) television news reports in the US. But then there’s no Dan Rather. There’s 60 Minutes, but no Andy Rooney. I’ve had voting explained to me at least 50 times now - not that I’m allowed to vote here just being a PR, but I’d still like to understand the process. As you might guess, I don’t understand it all all. (Me: Liberal is conservative? Huh?)
We went to see Daredevil, and I laughed at the Sanford and Son reference. I was the only one that did. And had to explain it after. (Helpfully, Steptoe and Son was shown here…) I didn’t grow up with The Goodies, though, and so being told it was “sleepy bobos time” got my SO the usual Blank Stare of Misunderstanding. And nevermind that my friend casually announced she was cold and going to put on her skivvies! Another Blank Stare of Misunderstanding, with an :eek:. Fortunately, they aren’t underwear here.

I now live in a place where you see Really REALLY Big Bats All The Time, and where the fairies in children’s stories wear gumnut leaves (the ones in Newtown just have blue hair :D). Spiders are the size of dinner plates. It’s winter when it should be summer. And all the stars are in the wrong places at night.

All that said, I really and truly do like it here. I told Graceguy that if he’d lived in Japan or something, it might actually have been easier - since I would have expected everything to be utterly and totally different from what I’m used to seeing. And it’s getting better. I can now confidently find most of the stuff I want in Woolies and not have to call for help from the cheese aisle. So that’s a plus.

Anybody else been dropped into an alternate universe country?

Grace

Try the 5-Star supermarket at Crows Nest. Expect to pay through the nose, but they serve a specialty niche in procuring that sort of thing for homesick Americans.

You vote for everyone, just do it in order of preference. They keep your vote alive (going down the order until they find the most preferred person that’s still in the race) and discard the least-preferred person at each stage until they have a winner. There’s no president, so whoever wins the most seats in the house wins government.

Really?? Oh, wow thanks! I’m at the point that I’d mortgage my flat for a box of Cherrios. I have a serious Cherrio problem. :::gets out city map and finds bus route for Crow’s Nest::: Um…that’s a pretty big trip, but doable on the weekend.

I sort of understand that. It’s just very odd to sit in a group of people - last month, when there was voting here for example - and have them discuss what order and all that. It’s one of those very, very different things that my brain just sort of goes…um…yeah, not computing, move on.

I imagine if I choose to get my citizenship in 5 years or so, it will be easier if I actually do it, as opposed to just try to understand it. :slight_smile:

Grace

In that case, give them a call and ask if they have them on hand. It’ll save you the trip if they don’t. It’s on Willoughby Road, just off the Pacific Highway. Catch a 28* or 29* from the city and get off at Falcon St, but just make sure that you don’t get one that goes down the Gore Hill Expressway.

Alternately, I’m thinking of heading out there this weekend. Where are you coming from?

I’m in the Inner West, in Marrickville. I will call, and try to drag Graceguy across the coat hanger if they have them.

I love trying to find places, it’s always an adventure. :slight_smile:

Grace

In the weather that looks like it’s settling in, you may decide otherwise…

I’ll e-mail you with more details, and return this hijack to its regularly scheduled thread.

Potter and I have been known to regale each other with tales of peculiar transatlantic customs. (They have no rootbeer! OMFG!) He’s lived in the US before, but has only been to Canada once, and I’ve never been to Britain.

haha Grace. You remind me of me two years ago. I came over here for a love (although it didn’t work out). I’m down in Geelong (hour out of Melbourne). When I came over I always told people “This place is a lot like the States, just different enough to make it really cool”. Now I’m in love with here and will end up living over here when Uni’s finished.

I was going to suggest one of the American specialist shops for that stuff you just can’t get. Expensive, but cool to have stuff from “home”. There’s one called “Made In America” in Melbourne’s CBD (or so I’ve been told, I’ve yet to visit). I also heard a rumour that you could go to the American Embassay and order stuff from the States. Apparently you have the right. Rich exchange students (from the US) did it at a uni in New Zealand.

Did you say grape jelly? Don’t you mean jam? :slight_smile:

I do have a question for you about visas, though. You have a permanent one because of marriage to an Aussie, right? What does he get in return? A green card to the States? Are you planning on going for your citizenship in a few years, or is it too early for all that thought?

Anyways, hope you enjoy it over here and just fall in love with it. I know I did, the people are so nice and everything’s so relaxed (down here, at least).

Oh yeah, as for driving… I drive better now over here than when I go home. When I went home last, I was driving and stopped concentrating exactly on it… just went to normal driving mode where I’m aware, but also singing to the radio or whatever. A few minutes later, I realised I was driving down the wrong side of the street. Luckily, no one was around :).

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Oh yeah, BigNik and Grace. I’m flying up to Sydney tomorrow for a small 3 day holiday. Any suggestions on stuff to do in such a short time? What shouldn’t I miss no matter what? What can be saved for another time, another trip?

Thanks :slight_smile:
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Your timing sucks. It’s Brisbane-raining outside and it’s expected to keep doing that until Monday.

In better weather I’d suggest a bridge climb, but that’s got a months-long waiting list. Most of the traditional stuff is simlarly weather-affected.

Definitely try to get in for lunch at Doyle’s on Watson’s Bay, though - that’s a place that deserves its reputation, but it’s pricey. Otherwise, look for things that involve being indoors.

Alternate-universe country, hmm?

Try southern Finland, for someone from Southern Ontario who’s spent a lot of time in the Canadian Shield country around Algonquin Park.

The landscape around Helsinki is the same as the landscape around Algonquin Park. The rocks are the same: irregular humps of glacier-smoothed granite that jut from the ground. The countless irregular lakes and bays are the same, dotted with islands and rocks of all sizes. The way the trees grow is the same. The moss is the same. The moose are the same. The way the people pick the wild berries is the same, between the trees on the mossy slopes above the little beaches. The brightly-painted wooden cottages on the islands in the bay are the same.

Only it’s completely different.

The granite hill is just across the inlet from City Hall in central Helsinki, not by the side of Highway 11 in central Ontario, and it bears a red-brick Russian Orthodox church, not a tourist-trap country store. The city, with the size and feel of Ottawa, has a subway burrowed through the granite at incredible expense, not a busway built on the route of a vanished railway, and 250-year-old houses built by Russian traders, not nineteeth-century brick buildings built by British lumbermen. Many of the bays and marshes whose water laps the granite rocks are salt water, because they are part of the Baltic Sea, not Lake Muskoka.

The people crowding the sidewalk cafes and taking in the long summer evenings are speaking Finnish and Swedish and Russian and Estonian, not French and English and Chinese and Italian. The cars are different and smaller. The taxis are Volvos and Mercedes, not Fords and Chevys. The highways are the same, but the signs are different. The trains are electric, not diesel. The ads are in a beautiful but incomprehensible language that lacks the letter F, not English and French.

It’s like Canada turned inside out. And run by tidier people.

But one thing is the same…

McDonald’s.

I love it as well, just spend my days going…where the heck am I and what am I meant to be doing??

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I mean jelly, damn it. :wink: No seriously, yes, jam. Jelly is Jello.

I don’t yet have a permanent one - I’m mid-paperwork, but I will. We actually meant to immigrate him back through the US Embassy in Sydney, but with the war and so forth I ended up deciding to stay. He’s in IT as well, we’ll wait it out here for a few years.

And all he gets in exchange is me. :wink: I haven’t decided on citizenship, that’s a bit of a way off. I need to get my conditional and regular PR first!

Grace

And that was the first thing I noticed when I arrived in Matsuyama, and was TERRIBLY disappointed (you mean Japan is just the same as home?!?)

That and the fact that I can get Milo and Quik here too.

We can also get Tim Tams and Vegemite now.

McDonald’s, LOL!

The first time I visited here, I was weirded out.

Within a block, I had McDonald’s, KFC, Subway and Target. I was going…say, why did I leave home again?

Grace

Grace, I did many of the same things when I was in the US - and that was only for two weeks! The number of times I reminded myself ‘passenger side of the car’ and then headed towards the driver’s side, because they’re reversed, or thought ‘Aaaaack, there’s nobody driving that car…’

In a couple of months, galen gets to experience the same in reverse :wink:

If I could ask a personal question, how did you get on with getting your visas and such in order? How long did it take, how much hair-pulling-out?

I do the “remember which side of the car” bit a lot!

As for my visa, I’m still dealing with DIMMA, but that’s mostly our fault as we changed our minds mid-stream as to who was moving where. Still seems fairly straightforward, if expensive. And tedious. And time consuming. But we’ll get there! It’s about six of one, half dozen of the other as to how much hair-pulling is involved in moving in either direction.

Grace

I remember it being really similar when I stayed in the States for a year. Since we get lots of American TV series here I basically thought I knew similarities and differences.

But it still took me completely by surprise when I said: “We’re out of milk” at midnight and somebody put on their coat and went to get some because the stores were still open.

Pretzels…They look like pretzels, smell like pretzels, but they sure don’t taste like pretzels. And you what?? put mustard on them??

Gas prices, too. I remember being ashamed pulling up to a gas station because I only had $5 in my pocket. German gas station attendants would laugh in your face at that amount. In the states they filled up my tank. And I mean they did it. Whoa! Made me break out in sweat. What’s this? I don’t do it by myself?? Do I need to tip? I never went to one of those gas stations again.

And McDonald’s is the same everywhere? Just wait until you get over here and start looking for the condiment bar. Just wait. Keep looking. Harder!! Harder!!! Nope. It’s 0.20 cts for a small packet of ketchup. I’m jus’ sayin’.

Grace, I googled a bit and found that there’s a group called American Women of Sydney. Might want to give them a look. I know the American Women’s Club here is a great resource for newcomers, as long as we’re not their only resourse; it helps to talk about culture shock with people who’ve been there, and if there is a bag of chocolate chips anywhere in this city we can sniff it out :wink:

Just remember, of course, that you need to meet the locals, too. It’s depressing, but for some of the just-here-for-two-years expats, the American community of Oslo is their social life. They never learn more than a dozen words of the language, and never get over that just-visiting feeling. You don’t want to go to that extreme, but you can have the best of both if you want it.

I found, when I moved here, that it was the constant procession of Little Things that tripped me up. Now I’ve been in Norway for twelve years, and it’s all second nature…

The thing that weirded me out about going to the United States was that Cheerios are a breakfast cereal… here in Australia (well, in QLD anyway) cheerios are little cocktail frankfurters (called wieners in the USA I believe).

Grace, here in Brisbane you can get Cinnamon flavoured chewing gum, tictacs and other ‘candy’ if you know where to look. I’m sure it’s the same situation in Sydney, although I can’t understand why anyone would eat the stuff :dubious:

It must have been a while ago that you were in the U.S. No way you could fill up for $5 now. Probably closer to $20.
As has been noted in other threads, in most of the U.S. now you can fill up your own gas tank if you want to. In New Jersey you will always have a person come fill it for you and no, you don’t need to tip. It is not expected at all. But that’s a separate issue :cool: