Australian Dopers: How Did Gun Ban Work, on a Practical Level?

Yes, I’ve seen descriptions of the process in various places, but the authors generally struck me as having an axe to grind. Depending on where the authors stand on gun control, the Aussie experience was either a perfect model for what the USA should do or a fascistic confiscation program.

Without editorializing much, can Australian Dopers tell us how the government went about disarming the populace? “Buybacks” are a popular buzzword, but I want to know what they meant for real gun owners. How did the government know who had guns that needed to be turned in? What happened to gun owners who didn’t go along with the program?

Any Aussies here who actually DID own guns beforehand, but turned them in? Any who still do own guns of any kind? What actually happened?

There was massive media publicity around this at the time, in addition to official TV, radio and newspaper ads. Most states also required individuals to be licenced in order to own firearms, and those of us with shooters licences had notifications mailed to us. So nobody living in the country could have had any possible excuse to be unaware of it.

There was a 12 month period where anybody who owned what had become an illegal weapon could hand it in and be compensated. I didn’t own any banned weapons myself, but i did turn in a semi-auto .22 on behalf of an uncle.

At least in the smaller cities and regional areas, this involved walking into the front desk of the local cop shop and handing it over. You were asked to fill in a form on good old carbon paper with tick boxes for “rifle”,“hand gun”, shotgun", “bolt action”, “pump action”, “semi-automatic” etc. You also filled out the name of the manufacturer, ID number and a few other details.

The cop then looked into some book, and told you that your compensation would be $X. If you agreed then you signed the sheet and we given the carbon copy, and the weapon was tagged and carried away. A cheque was mailed to you within a couple of weeks. IIRC the cop said that if you didn’t agree to the compensation amount, the weapon still had to be surrendered, but wouldn’t be destroyed until the compensation was negotiated or settled in court. Nobody had elected to use that while she was working there, so obviously it didn’t happen much.

It wasn’t a difficult process. Hand in weapon, cop checks to see what the standard compo was. If that was acceptable then the weapon was taken away.

*That *is editorialising. The population was never disarmed. There are more firearms in Australia now than before buyback, up to twice as many depending on how many unregistered weapons are out there. The buyback removed certain classes of arms. If it was intended to be a disarmament it was badly thought out and an abject failure.

They didn’t. As mentioned, most states required individuals to be licenced in order to operate a firearm, but there was no register of who owned what firearms.

It became a criminal offence to own certain weapons. If you owned them, you were obliged to surrender them or become a criminal. Nobody cared much whether they were actually turned in. The idea was to prevent them being sold, moved etc.

Nothing at all. There are still plenty of illegal weapons out there. For ten years or so, it seems like every time the cops searched a house for drugs, stolen items etc the owners were also charged with possessing illegal firearms.

IOW it worked just like laws outlawing drugs, switchblade knives or home made boilers. Anybody can decide not to go along with “the program” outlawing those things. Nobody is going to waste resources searching every house to check if it has a home made boiler or a switchblade knife. But those things will routinely be found as part of other inspections and then the penalties applied.

If you kept your nose clean and give the cops no reason to search your home, there’s no reason you couldn’t keep your illegal weapons with no problem at all.

And of course if your illegal weapon gets stolen and a crime is committed with it, you are in all kinds of shit.

As noted, there are more guns ion Australia now then before the buy back. It’s not like firearms are some sort of rare and unusual device in Australia. You just can’t get semi-auto or pump action weapons.

Thanks for the clear and calm explanation. Like the OP I’d never really heard the practical details. But the part I excerpted leaves me a bit puzzled.

If there is no registration connecting specific owners to specific weapons, then how does the “shit” come back to roost? I’m sure not going to include an illegal weapon in my homeowner’s insurance claim if my house is burgled and it’s stolen.

I suppose if the cops lean on the criminal he might admit to where he stole it from. But that pretty quickly turns into he said she said. Unless the cops tend to arrive for non-notice searches of all my premises and discover the rest of my stash or incriminating types of ammo or …

So … How’s that part work?

The guns were already registered; the police just didn’t go around looking for them.

Where I live the user was licenced and that licence also had all the details of the firearms you owned - serial no. calibre, manufacturer, action etc.

Some other states were the same, others (Queensland was one IIRC) only the user was licenced.

I hade a pump-action shotgun and semi-auto .22 that I had to hand in. I took the compensation I got for those and went straight out and bought a u/o double barrel shotgun and a bolt-action .22 rifle. Most shooters I knew did the same, just changed out one type of gun for another.

My dad owned a .223 semi-auto and when it became clear which way the winds were blowing he sold it to a guy in QLD before the ban came into effect and got probably about twice what he government would have paid him. Again he went and bought a bolt action .223

About a year ago I decided to get rid of my guns and firearms licence - mainly as I hadn’t done any shooting in a few years, it was a PITA to get out to the range and I had better things to spend the money on.

I took all my guns into the registry intending to just hand them over and the cops there told me to take them down to the local gun shop (a few streets away) and see what I could get for them. Did that and then went back to the registry with the disposal forms and handed in my licence.

So rather than getting 6 guns out of circulation they were quite happy to keep them out in the market. :confused:

I remember reading that the gun buy-back was financed by a one-time flat tax; is there any chance that money’s been used up?

Also, if these were the kinds of guns that it’s still legal for people to own, it makes sense to me that they wouldn’t mind them being out on the market…

The narrative for years about the buy-back and new laws was to reduce the number of firearms in the general population, no matter what sort they were.

There is one cop at the registry who has (had? he may have moved on) a really bad reputation of being a right bastard and making a lot of ‘mistakes’ during renewals - serial numbers changing or firearms ‘disappearing’ off your licence - suddenly you have an unregistered firearm in your possession and you’re in deep shit.

It was accepted as good practice to take a full record of everything with you and get a printed copy to check your details against before leaving with the new licence just to make sure there hadn’t been any ‘processing errors’.

That’s kind of why I was surprised their attitude was 'Meh, go sell ‘em, we don’t really care so long as you come back with the paperwork.’ It was a Friday afternoon, perhaps they just didn’t feel like doing all the processing on them.

Most interesting… Thanks for the information.

Not much else to add. I had a bunch of guns that weren’t registered that I basically inherited when my dad died. Some were now legal and several weren’t.

I kept them for a few years but in the end I couldn’t do anything with them and had no use for them living in the city so I took them into the local cop shop and handed them in.

I don’t personally have any concerns about the gun laws really now. Shooters need to be licensed and weapons registered but it’s not exactly hard to buy a gun provided you comply with the rules.

I recently bought a shotgun, decided to re-arm. went to the gun shop, filled in the paperwork, put down a deposit, got the approval to purchase within 2 days, picked it up the next weekend.

My guns weren’t registered and I had no license so I in took my rabbit killer and two air rifles to the to the police for disposal. A very nice policeman didnt want it as its not an automatic weapon, I replied “it is but couldn’t find the magazine”, he asked “was it loaded” I replied “you should check it yourself”. I received a receipt and eventually a check for eighty dollars in the mail.
The police wouldn’t accept the air rifles so threw them in the bin at work.
My grandfathers generation were on the land so I have no fear of guns but I couldn’t be bothered obtaining a license nowadays. I would guess most guns handed in NSW were small calibre inherited weapons. The people who are licenced now own more and larger weapons than in past.
Though against the buyback Port Arthur was a really terrible thing and I had no idea there were fully automatic weapons available in the community, they certainly weren’t available in NSW.

First, a sincere thank you to all (especially Blake) who provided detailed responses.

If Blake thought I was editorializing, I didn’t intend to do so. For what it’s worth, I’m a rarity: I’m a Texan who believes in gun ownership rights in principle, but have never owned or even wanted a gun of any kind.

So, I have no personal stake or interest in the gun control debate. But I notice that American liberals like to point to the Australian experience as a perfect example for us to follow, while gun lovers here are just as insistent that the Aussie program was a wholesale invasion of rights.

If Blake is right, it was neither. It sounds as if this was a program that got SOME guns out of private hands without too much invasiveness, but didn’t accomplish nearly as much as its American advocates like to claim.

Why were pump-action weapons banned? Were any other non-semi-auto categories (lever action, bolt action, revolver) banned?