Actually, we don’t have a bunch of kids dying from eating tiny amounts of peanuts - death from peanut allergies (or any food related allergy) is somewhat more rare than dying of chicken pox.
Not that peanut allergies aren’t serious - they CAN kill you. But the shock reaction from food allergies that is so dangerous can be stopped and you generally have some time to react to it - plus people who know they or their children have life threatening allergies can be hypervigilant - whereas viruses must run their course - and you can’t tell someone is contagious with measles. The thing about vaccinations is that even if the virus didn’t take in you, herd immunity provides protection - people with immuno suppression disorders depend on this - your chances of running into someone with measles is pretty slim. But the more people that don’t vaccinate, the higher it becomes.
Apparently my ability to do math is impared. I had the chicken pox in 1963, as did my brother who was a year younger than me. I had two other brothers who were 10 and 11 years younger than me and I don’t remember them getting it at all.
So lemme get this straight: when it comes to vaccines for kids (i.e. a highly important medical issue for kids), you think that it would be bad to follow the advice of a pediatrician (the expert on medical issues for kids)?
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Because, you know, look at a couple websites, vaccinate your dogs, and suddenly you’re more of an expert than a pediatrician? What, do you think medical school is a diploma mill? You think that they haven’t already looked at the research, and much more thoroughly than you have?
News Flash! We already know that these vaccinations will prevent these diseases. That is, your child is assuredly significantly less likely to die or suffer permanent injuries if you vaccinate.
Meanwhile, the threat is…what? A tenuous link to allergies that could easily be explained by hundreds of other factors? Autism, which has no link outside of a fraudulent study and a small group of mothers who also have no medical training? Your rose-colored memories that, because you personally didn’t die from these diseases, they must not be that deadly after all?
How could you possibly think that the risks of vaccinating (a slight and tenuous chance of autism, a slight and tenuous chance of allergies) outweigh the risks of NOT vaccinating (death, incredible pain for an extended amount of time, permanent disabilities)?
It was me that was confused, most likely due to the fact I haven’t had to get vaccinations for kids. Looking at the charts and what has been posted here, it appeared to me that the children were getting multiple vaccinations for the same diseases, like getting multiple MMR shots. No? Those 37 or whatever it was shots before the age of six were for 37 different things? Ick
They are also moving away from the number of things dogs (particularly puppies) are vaccinated for. Used to be, back when I first started in dogs, that all pups were vaccinated for distemper, hepatitis and lepto, then we added parvo, then corona. Then came early shots for measles, shots for bordatella, parainfluenza and I can’t even remember what else - the total load was 8. Now corona has been dropped by most dog people, many don’t bother with bordatella or parainfluenza, and new studies indicate that lepto vaccines aren’t very safe so some folks aren’t doing that either. It all depends on where you live and what you figure your dogs will be exposed to.
I don’t know from thyroiditis since it isn’t an issue in my breed. I don’t really think much of studies done on lab Beagles tho - they are a good place to start but not good enough to make a conclusion with. And really, 20 dogs compared to decades of research?
Yes, this looks like what I saw - 36 vaccinations (shots or oral) and multiples of some of them. And do they get them all at once when they are listed together? For example, one office visit at 12-15 months to get vaccinated for Hib, PCV7, MMR (measles, mumps, rubella), Varicella?
Is that what you actually think you’re doing? Because I, for one, see you as simply ignoring or waving away practically everything that doesn’t support your position. Which is pretty much every fact posted in this thread.
My point is that we used to vaccinate dogs like this, until it became known that not only did they not need this many vaccinations, it was actually bad for their health. I find it amazing that parents do this to their children and wonder why.
Apparently you are incapable of answering any questions on this subject without getting defensive, so I’ll just not respond to you any more, OK?
OK, fine, no more interest in getting my ignorance fixed on this subject. You parents just go ahead and keep doing what you are doing and God forbid, never question the conventional wisdom!
Why would you be leery of a process that strengthens the immune system?
As for the flu . . . well the flu epidemic of 1918 sure killed a lot of people.
Both actually. Or the implication that this is a result of vaccination.
If you don’t have an idea then you might want to stop writing about the subject. Just suggesting . . .
Would you like some wood and nails for that cross?
Oh good grief. You don’t even know that titers exist in humans . . . and yet you feel confident enough to make pronouncements about vaccinations?
There’s no reason to forego a vaccine unless a medical professional (you know someone who actually about stuff like titers) tells you to.
So sorry to interrupt your ignorance with facts.
Two hundred years you know what they called “a real mom?” Someone who had lost a baby or child. That little one most likely died from the kind of diseases we don’t even think about today because of vaccines.
Shut up and go away. You’re trying to spreading ignorance and it sucks.
Most dogs do not go to school every day where they are exposed to several hundred other dogs and whatever infectious diseases those dogs may have. Kids do - and schools can become vectors.
My understanding is that dog people who take their dogs to shows tend to undergo a more through vaccination schedule than dog people who have a family pet that might meet a few neighborhood dogs out on a leashed walk. Since we don’t board our dog, we don’t tend to vaccinate him against much - he sees two other dogs pretty much ever and those two only occasionally.
Look, you’ve been given tons of information from scientific and medical sources regarding your so-called “ignorance” on the subject. You’ve chosen to ignore or wave away what you didn’t like, or what didn’t fit your personal experiences (not the first time you’ve done that in discussions).
So, really, one must assume that you have no intention of “fixing” your so-called “ignorance” on the subject, but that you have an agenda to which you are determined to adhere.
C’mon, curlcoat has vast amounts of ignorance pertaining to this subject. She acknowledges being confused, not knowing what basic vaccinations are, and to having fears that are not grounded in evidence. She proudly adheres to her ignorance, viewing it as a mark of individuality and eschewing the “mainstream”.
curlcoat is a fairly common sort of antivaxer, someone who takes pains to explain how she isn’t really antivaccine, but has all these worries and concerns that no degree of rational explanation and factual evidence are allowed to penetrate. She cannot be reached; however her misinformation and insinuations have been nicely addressed by numerous informed posters in this thread.