Hey, pal!! If you’re gonna diss Danny Kaye, you’re gonna have to answer to me and The Court Jester. Watch it.
Un-huh.
From that site: “often Black”
Often!=always
However, I note that on the same site you went to, it says:
and
Now how 'bout you fall on your own sword? Hmmm?
Fenris
I loved Le Roi’s “rebuttal”.
So he’ll grab onto just about any rumor or unsubstantiated account and use it as a springboard for his lunatic ravings. And it’s amazing how a loon of just about any persuasion will find it Necessary to arbitrarily Capitalize or not capitalize certain Words in the english Language for Emphasis, although the point being Made is somewhat obscure at times.
One major truth appeared in Le Roi’s remarks, to wit:
"my family, my fellow artists and activists…know all this is just the feces of a very small cow."
How true. Le Roi, you are indeed a very small, redolent pile of shit.
He seems to have the cites to back up what he was saying. Where’s your cites debunking his statements???
Gonna have to take issue with you here, Phil. The fuming and support of the move is not a blow against free expression. It IS free expression.
Ya see, when you put your work out there, when you express your ideas publicly, you are then open to public criticism. We do not need to know him personally to criticize his public work. You can express your views, and people can express their reactions. IIRC, no one has called to censor the man. They have called for his removal as Poet Laureate, which is not the same thing.
So, to re-cap. If your work is shit, you might want to wear a helmet, 'cause it’s gonna come back at ya.
Oh, and as to your “How can he hate Jews if he married one” argument? Can you really say that you have never met or heard of a married mysogonist?
anyone have the text of his rebuttal? I get a “bandwidth exceeded” message when I go there (“who sent too much traffic to my site?”).
Good pithy quote in the LGF thread linked from that page:
If only it were so easy.
The “move” is the attempt to get him to step down from the post either voluntarily or through the use of a new law giving them the power to remove them. The “move” is not the discussion here.
The work has been out there, and only until the poem was recited at the Dodge Foundation venue did the firestorm about this begin. Baraka says that the Jewish Defense League is behind this campaign and from what I’ve read about them they can be some very nasty characters.
Mysogonist are frequently married unless they are gay and your analogy doesn’t really hold here, nice try.
Yeah, they’re probably part of the Elders of Zion’s master plan for world domination!
So I’m sure they’re nasty…as opposed to say, your pals in the Klan or American Nazi Party.
EasyPhil -
Are you sure you aren’t LeRoi himself? Your grammar and punctuation skills are almost on a par.
Witness the following from Baraka’s rebuttal:
Same run on sentences, same semi-random capitalization.
Or another tidbit from the same:
He has discovered, the use of, his comma key. And I can’t figure out if it is better or worse to drain super profits bluntly instead of sharply.
And now Baraka wants to set up a network of poets, and -
As Mark Twain said, the difference between the right word and the almost-right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug. He will be “approaching” funding - presumably to pounce and stuff it in his pocket, although he doesn’t say so.
OK, so he is a government employee; he had to throw the word “paradigm” in there somewhere.
And then there are the sheer non sequiteurs, at which the ground seems to drop out from under one’s feet.
As opposed to - what?
Delightful stuff. Although he gives me hope for the future, since he claims
So he has not yet gotten his ten grand, or so he claims. Too bad they aren’t paying him by the grammatical goof - he’d be rolling in it.
Regards,
Shodan
No that we’ve gotten the grammer and spelling out of the way, what’s your take on the content?
See king of spain’s post to get an idea of what “cites” are. Saying “I saw it on the Internet!” or even “I read it in the paper!” means nothing without a reference to specific articles and accounts that can be checked out. If you’re going to make an outrageous claim, be prepared to back it up and don’t expect others to “debunk” some wild story concocted out of nothing more than bilious hatred (and possibly recreational drug abuse).
Oh, and it’s grammar.
Carry on.
It does, actually. A man can hate women and still be married to one. As a man can hate Jews and still be married to one.
So saying that he married a Jewish women is not evidence of anything. You offered it up as evidence that he couldn’t be considered anti-semitic.
I’m sure that Baraka DOES say that. But the man is not known for his accuracy. So we should take that with a grain of salt.
Kosher salt?
My take on the content of what?
His poetry? It sucks.
His bigotry? It is as stupid and offensive as all such is.
His hysterical accusations that Bush and the Israeli government knew about 9/11 ahead of time and didn’t say anything? See above.
The website posting his nonsense? Too much bigotted bloviating, not enough pretty girls in low-cut dresses leaning forward.
He is supposed to be a person making a living from his writing, and he cannot even express himself correctly. For this he gets ten grand?
And for heaven’s sake, now has a ‘w’ on the end of it. Are you sure you aren’t him?
Regards,
Shodan
I’m afraid I’m going to regret bumping this back up again, but over at bookslut.org I’ve found a couple new articles on this that look interesting: one at the Washington Post, and a Salon interview - but you can’t read the whole thing unless you subscribe to Salon Premium. I don’t, so if anyone who does could tell me about the Salon article, I’d appreciate it.
Incidentally, in the interest of fairness, I hereby retract my blanket condemnation of Baraka as a terrible poet, as I’ve finally managed to find a poem of his that’s pretty good (“Incident”). Most of his work and especially the more recent stuff still sucks pond water, though.
…oops. That’s bookslut.com, a fine litgeek site with a great blog to check for this sort of thing.