Bad, Bad Le Roi Jones (NJ Poet Laureate)

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Celestina, if someone claimed to be a poet (who was suckling at the taxpayer teat) and they began to write “poetry” about big black watermelon-eating bucks and their lavacious lusts towards white women and how niggers were savage thugs who aren’t as smart as us white folk and then referenced The Bell Curve as “proof”, would you blow it off as “saying outrageous things to get folks to think about things that we take for granted or just don’t think to question.”? Or as "a warning against apathy, lack of knowledge of history that can and does repeat itself, and just blind acceptance of what authority figures tell you to think without engaging in any kind of individual critical thinking. "?

I wouldn’t. I’d assume he was a racist. And I’ll assume he’s Bakara is anti-Semite when he uses the exact same sort of loaded imagery in his “poetry” about Jews. Even if I give him the benefit of the doubt on this one poem, which I don’t given his other spewages, he’s still promoting an anti-Semitic lie and a particularly ugly one.

He doesn’t do so as an attempt to debunk it, he doesn’t use it as a lesson in distrust, he doesn’t even have the “historical context” excuse: he’s simply repeating the same old anti-Semite lies.

And, while I hate the “You wouldn’t get it, it’s a __________ thing.” line, forgive me if I tiptoe near it and say: Even if you don’t understand or agree (and I know that you said you do), trust me. To say that 4000 Jews stayed home is exactly as evil, hurtful and offensive to Jews as any of the crap I suggested in my first paragraph would be to black people.

Fenris

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Its “4000 Israeli workers” , who by the way do not have to be jews.

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Fenris -

Sorry, but it isn’t the spelling, grammar, and lack of coherence in SleazyPhil’s posts that are the problem.

I found that if you simply replace the periods in what he writes with (Hey Mom! Look how much of a deranged fuckwad I can sound like!), they make perfect sense.

And EasyPhilth, that’s “deranged fuckwad”, who by the way do not have to be neo-Nazis.
Regards,
Shodan

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Yeah. And I’m sure when he refers to “faggots,” he’s talking about Swedes, and the “slimy Jew bellies” is a reference to wildebeasts. 'Cause ya have to read into it, y’know.

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Ah, “argumentum ad BOLD”, last resort of the defeated loser.

You do know, SiegPhil that “LOUD” does not equal “correct”.

In any case, ladies and gentlemen, I present for your amusement and edification, anti-Semite excuse #2: “Israeli doesn’t haveta mean Jew (even though it’s obvious from context that it does)”. This, the anti-Semites feel, allows them to get away with saying things like like 'Israelies have big noses", “Israelies control the money supply”, “Israelies are willing to sacrifice Goyim ‘cattle’ to advance their own ends as part of their Machivellian plot for world domination.” and so on and then fall back on the “I didn’t say “Jew”! Nobody heard me say “Jew”.” excuse.

Excuse #1 is "Well, Arabs are Semites too, so I can’t possibly be an anti-Semite.

If you were anti-black, the way you’re anti-Jew, you’d be saying “Well, when I say nggrs, I don’t mean ALL black people!” or “Some of my best friends are black”.

And I’ll note that you again neglected to capitalize the word Jew. I’m torn between the idea that it’s a subtle anti-Semite statment and that you’re a grammatical moron. Possibly both.

Fenris

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Fenris -

It’s an ignorant bigot thing. You wouldn’t understand.

Regards,
Shodan

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Hi, just wqnted to add my Gentile POV: to wit, anti-Semitism is evil. period

There is no excuse for defending Baraka and his screed of hate. Repeating that filthy lie about 4,000 Jews is despicable, not only because it disparages Jews but because it disparages part of America. Jews are as American as apple pie. Jews sailed with Columbus to the NewWorld. Jews fought in the American Revolution. They fought on both sides in the Civil War. Jews have fought and died in every war, defending America and its freedoms.

Jews have enriched our culture immeasurably in science, business, entertainment, and the arts.: Robert Moses, the Marx Brothers, Danny Kaye, Hank Greenberg, Sammy Davis, Jr, Adam Sandler, Dinah Shore, the Three Stooges, Fanny Brice, Albert Einstein, Mel Brooks, Zero Mostel, Gene Wilder, Kirk Douglas, Michael Douglas, Tony Curtis, Irving Berlin, Bette Midler, Harvey Fierstein, Fyvush Finkel, Harry Houdini, Billy Crystal, Jason Alexander, Eve Golden, and many, many, many more. Without our Jewsih heritage, America would be immeasurably poorer.

When you mess with Jews, you’re messing with our American family, and nobody does that with impunity!

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“Robert Moses, the Marx Brothers, Danny Kaye, Hank Greenberg, Sammy Davis, Jr, Adam Sandler, Dinah Shore, the Three Stooges, Fanny Brice, Albert Einstein, Mel Brooks, Zero Mostel, Gene Wilder, Kirk Douglas, Michael Douglas, Tony Curtis, Irving Berlin, Bette Midler, Harvey Fierstein, Fyvush Finkel, Harry Houdini, Billy Crystal, Jason Alexander, Eve Golden . . .”

—Hmmm . . . And none of us were at the WTC on Sept. 11th! Maybe Phil is on to something . . .

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Sounds to me like you’re a hyper-semite. Pouring over words, phrases, punctuation and capitalization in search of anti-jewish content or inference. Get a life Fenris. I mean damn, you even went as far as going over all my post and pointing out what was wrong with them. That’s truly pathetic.

So, when I say Israeli, and I say that the Israeli government is fucked up, and modeled after Nazi Germany with respect to its treatment of Palenstinians, am I being anti-semetic, or am I simply being anti-Israeli government?

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Well, let’s see…

You’ve neglected to capitalize the word Black, does that mean you’re a racist mother fucker or just an anal rententive moron, or both?

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Well, you’re definitely an idiot.

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Baraka isn’t shy about using the word Jew, so I assume when he writes Israeli, that’s what he means. Makes sense doesn’t it?

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EasyPhil, if he didn’t mean Jews, riddle me this: Why in God’s name were 4,000 Israelies working at the World Trade Center?

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I quite agree. If you’d improve your posts to a marginal level of coherence, Sieg-Phile, they wouldn’t be so pathetic.

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Then why in the world is a goosestepping swastika-waver like you complaining? You should be glad to see a Fourth Reich, Nazi-boy.

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I choose…none of the above. I’d say you’re a Jew-hating jackass.

And regarding the “black” thing in one of your other posts, I thought that “black” in this context wasn’t capitalized. According to [url=“http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary”]Miriam Webster" it isn’t. How 'bout a cite showing me that it should be, Chuckles? If you do, I’ll happily admit my mistake…I’m still waiting for you to do so regarding “jew”, Sieg-Phile. And a site from KKK-Online.com doesn’t count.

As a matter of fact, can one of the olde timers verify that there was a well-known troll who’s trademark was that he always capitalized Black and White?

Fenris

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Surely you Jest, er, now you want talk about riddles, why are the Jewish refereneces in the poem not viewed as anti-semetic, but the references to Israelis are?

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Was it Barking Spider?

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See, it’s just one line! You can’t say the whole poem is anti-Semitic because of just the one line! What about the parts about the roses and the violets? Most of the poem is about flowers and love! You’re not against pretty flowers and loving people, are you?

See, that’s just a criticism of the policies of the Sharon Administration–It doesn’t even mention Jews! Heck, maybe it’s talking about Israeli citizens of Arab descent–I mean, those Israeli Arabs, they run everything, everyone knows that!

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I’ll tell you what, EasyPhil. You answer my riddle, and I’ll answer yours. It can be a fun new game.

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Danny Kaye, Adam Sandler and Dinah Shore as Chosen People Noteworthies?

Maybe WheezingSwill is onto something.

On second thought - nah.

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[URL=http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=black]The cite you requested](http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary), now go fall on your own sword.