It’s in Article 23 of the model lease for subsidized programs, actually. This is the one that almost always gets used. I posted the forms for HUD upthread.
Section 1 is the title, Section 2 is the Declaration of Policy, Section 3 is rental payments and definitions, Section 4 is Loans for Lower Income Housing Projects, Section 5 is Contributions for Lower Income Housing Projects, Section 6 is Contract Provisions and Requirements, and Section 7 is Designated Housing for Elderly and Disabled Families. You can find the complete Housing Act here (in PDF):
I’ve heard similar things regarding employment - if you are an alcoholic or drug addict, you can’t be fired for it if you are willing to seek treatment. This is just anecdotal, mind you - I have no hard evidence to back up what I’ve heard.
It’s part of the ADA.
http://www.tv.com/king-of-the-hill/junkie-business/episode/4241/summary.html?tag=ep_list;ep_title;19
Lawyer: (Putting up a copy of the ADA) This is the Americans with Disabilities Act. It ensures that no person, no matter how disadvantaged, how short or obese or blind or gay or even stoned can be discriminated against once his healing has begun.
Mr. Strickland: Well, right now I’d kill for a big fat blind gay guy if we could just get some dammed work done around here
Several of my neighbours (the ones I like, mostly) are Section 8 beneficiaries. The dicks at the Association just hate it that there is such riff-raff in their reputable development and toil day and night to get rid of them. They often succeed. It can be done. They mostly keep a log of every little gathering of more than 3 people and call the police for every whisper over 24 dB. Once they have enough calls to the police, no matter if they were unfounded, they call the Housing Dept and try to get them out. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
Oh, please understand that I don’t automatically assume that anybody receiving Section 8 Assistance is worthless trash, and if these neighbors were genuinely attempting to be a positive, contributing force to the neighborhood, I’d be perfectly fine with them being my neighbors.
However, these are people I saw fit to complain about long before discovering they are there under Section 8. They are people who have received multiple complaints from a number of ordinary, everyday neighbors, not an association hellbent against the stigma of low-income assistance.
Most locations now have an online webpage where you can search the property tax database, and find info on the actual owner of the property.
DC does. See https://www.taxpayerservicecenter.com/RP_Search.jsp?search_type=Assessment
In this case, Maryland, actually. And I got the PO Box, and owner’s name, from the state tax assessor’s website.
Some people were running a meth lab and dealing meth in a HUD rental house across the street from me. I called the cops, and called the cops, and called the cops. I even told the cops who I let pass through my yard while looking for another meth lab (they were in my yard because they thought I had a meth lab at first :rolleyes: ) about the people across the street. Finally there was some sort of a melt down, a wrecked truck in the driveway, people moved out, no cops.
Blissful peace.
One day a short while later, there were several cops in front of my house at lunch. They were looking for the grandson of one of my other neighbors. I don’t remember how it came up, but I mentioned that I was glad the people across the street were gone. The cops says, “Yeah, those were some really bad people”. I tell him, uuh, that’s why I called you guys about 5 dozen times to no avail. He said he wished he knew where they moved to. I knew, the mailman still carried their mail and they lived on the same route. So the cops knew about them, but never made a single move based on my many complaints.
OMD, I had to resort to wearing earplugs. Constant traffic all night every night, doors slamming, music, yelling, you name it. No chance for sleep. They didn’t work and could sleep all day and party all night.
I once rented an apartment-the tenant above me was an alcoholic lawyer. He 9and hisa friends) made noise all night-one day i was treated to a show-one of his friends had fallen down the stairs (blind drunk) and had to be taken awy to the hospital. I complained and got nowhere-so i decided to file a civil complaint in court. the clerk told me to forget it “don’t waste your time”-as an alcoholic (“recovering”), this guy was immune to any civil remedy.
I moved out.
I work in rental property management, and handle these people every day. Once they move in, it is hell to get them to move out. 99% of the ones I’ve seen are awful people who can work the system. I think the ultimate in chutpah is the Section 8 tenant who complained to the Section 8 people that she didn’t have a working stove. Damn right she didn’t have a working stove–She had a fire in her kitchen and we were working on getting the insurance claim and the City permits to repair it. She claimed the fire started by itself when she wasn’t home.
See how many people are actually living there vs. what Housing has registered as tenants. It’s even oddss that they have extra people living there.
Oh, I am not holding this against you at all. I remember your previous thread about them and felt the pain (I have some neighbours like that, except that theirs is a trumpet). I just wanted to let you know that it can be done, but wanted to qualify my experience on the matter. Give them hell and get them outta there.
I am going through something similar to your situation. Thank you for posting this. It helps to know that I’m not alone. I’ve been up since 2AM neighbor woke me dead out of my sleep. :dubious::mad:
I’m not giving up. I called police on him 2 times already and I wrote a letter to the section 8 people. I’ll just keep trying. Something has got to give. I need my sleep I’m a Mom of 2 one of whom I drive to Kindergarten. one of these days I’m going to get into an accident with my little one’s in the back because lack of sleep:mad:. I’m also becoming more and more dependent on caffeine to keep me awake. Not good. Sigh…:rolleyes:
I’m right now going through the similar situation, and I am not giving up neither. I don’t care if I have to report this to HUD, I will get to the bottom of this.
You are dealing with a neighbor (someone who is a resident) at your neighborhood. I am dealing with unauthorize guests (people who are not on the lease) , and is here on a daily basic making noise all night.
I live in low income section 8 housing. Since our housing are being help pay by the government, they have very strict rules & regulations. Clearly one rule said that if anyone going to have long term overnight guests, they must report this to the housing manager/owner and let them know. Overnight guests are not allow to stay after the limitation or else they will become “unauthorize occupant” and this is against the lease.
My neighbor across from me for the past one week bring home 3 guests and let they live in her apartment. Guests including a dad, mom and an infant baby who crying on and off all night. What worst is my neighbor did Not report this to the housing authorities, that means she already break the rules.
I told her that if she have guests stay overnight she suppose to let the manager knows. Ha! She give me the attitude like it her apartment, she can have anyone to live in. This is a big wrong! You rent low income housing to live in, it is not your property. She also say “this family are going to stay with her until they find a house”, this is also a big No No, because it give an impression that she have the intention of letting this family shelter in her house until they find a place to live. And this is also big No, because you live in government housing, it is not your own home.
I went to report her to the manager, I ask the manager to check into her guests and make sure she follow the lease. Manager are checking into this.
“Guests” are someone who live at another address coming over to visit you. These 3 people she have in her house currently have no home, so they staying with her until they find a house. The housing authorities said these guests are “Unauthorize” because she never report to the housing.
And if she cannot show proof of these guests current address, then she just giving them shelter.
Got this when searching around:
"If you do not have an unauthorized occupant…you should gather evidence to show that the person does not live with you. Examples of this type of evidence include the following:
A copy of that person’s lease showing where they do live.
A copy of that person’s driver’s license with an address clearly indicated.
Copies of the outside of envelopes addressed to that person, such as utility bills, car payments, or credit card bills.
A signed statement by the person that says he or she does not live with you and giving his or her actual address.
Once you have the evidence, write a letter to the housing authority and explain the situation."
I think this is what the neighbor needs to prove to the housing. And if she cannot prove that then her 3 guests cannot stay there anymore unless they on the lease. I hope this solve soon, I want my peace back. There is a big difference between hearing a baby crying all night from someone who is a Legal Tenant, and hearing crying all night from someone who are “Unauthorize” guests. Clearly she is abuse the housing system by thinking she can shelter them until they find a house. With 2 adults and an infant crying baby, certainly sooner or later, other neighbors will notice and report them.
I hope this solve out soon, and if these guests are Not leaving after their time is up, I think I have to find HUD to get HUD solve it for me.
Eileen,
Why are you so obsessed with what guests visit your neighbor? Frankly, unless a neighbor is doing something violent or dangerous, I have my own life to keep me occupied with, I dont need to occupy my time spying on neighbors, and monitoring what guests they have over.
Tollhouse, maybe you did not read my complete post?
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I don’t care what guests they have. As long as they keep their guests quiet after the hours so the whole neighbor can sleep.
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You say I spy on them and without proof, I can sue you for slander me. I live in section 8, no need to spy, we are wall to wall, we can hear our neighbors whether we want to or not.
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Section 8 are pays by tax payer money, if you getting section 8, you better goes by the rules, don’t abuse it.
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This is not their guests. This is my neighbor give them shelter until they find a home. Her guests are 3 people, including an infant baby that cries all night and not letting people sleep. Can I bring in a baby next wall to your apartment and let it cries on and off all night? Let me see how you feel.
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I hope you know the difference between a legal resident that lives there, and “unauthorize” guests.
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If their time is up, and they cannot show proof of their real address, they will be “unauthorize occupant”, and that is a big No, when you live in section 8. Section 8, you rent the apartment, it is not your property, what make you think you have the rights to let people live with you until they find a house?
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Here in California, when you have a infant baby, you can get welfare. Even if the father lost his job, he can get unemployment. This 3 guests can easily go apply for welfare and get helps especially with a baby. That if they are U.S citizen or is permanent residents here in USA.
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I am Vietnamese and the neighbor of mine is also Vietnamese. And I can tell you how Asian people is, they bring people over to live, lying through marriage to get U.S passport to come here to USA. Working undertable get pay cash so they can avoid pay taxes. I’m not saying my neighbor’s guests are doing this, I am giving you example of what I know in my own community.
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What if, I say IF ok, my neighbor’s guests are just people that just come from Vietnam, and have no where to stay and just staying at her apartment until they find a place. Here in section 8, you cannot do that. That is illegal, because if anything happen to that 3 guests while on this section 8 property, who going to be responsible? You Tollhouse, you be responsible for them?
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If guests want to live in section 8, fine, get them on the lease, go through background check. And if you are legal residents or U.S citizens, I welcome them and their annoying crying baby with open arms. Until they prove that, they are not legal residents here in section 8.
You can sue the pope in a paternity suit if you want to, but that doesn’t mean you’re likely to win.