So you support the lawsuit?
…what lawsuit?
How does the fact that this is about baizuo mean you are reading things correctly?How does the language you quote mean that I have been imbibing racist conservative kool aid unless you actually think that any suggestion that blacks and hispanics could be doing more to improve their situation is in fact racist. Do you believe that?
And how is any of that racist? You can’t expect everyone to simply agree that anything you call racist is in fact racism.
Just for clarity, my understanding is that the sentiment of baizuo doesn’t really require you to be white, just western woke SJW that has jumped the shark. Plenty of black baizuo and to many in the asian community, their reaction to the harvard lawsuit justifies vilianization.
The woke SJW crowd hasn’t shown much potential as allies. When confronted with evidence of anti-asian discrimination at harvard, they instinctively leapt to the defense of harvard over asians. With any other minority the knee would have jerked the other direction. Asians are apparently too low on their racial pecking order to warrant support against an institution that was forced to admit it did the exact same thing with jews a few decades ago.
And what exactly does the baizuo left offer to the poor white man that the capitalist pigs do not?
It’s funny. You think that the poor whites are being hoodwinked by conservatives. Conservatives think blacks are being hoodwinked by Democrats. I suppose people believe what they want to believe.
I think I am detecting another aspect of asians that is making the baizuo uncomfortable. Asians that are no longer blindly adhering to liberal positions just to get along.
AFAICT, the “woke SJW crowd” is not particularly attached to defending powerful entrenched institutions like Ivy League admissions departments. I know I’m not. They deserve a ton of criticism. Like so many institutions, they overwhelming favor wealthy white people.
The lawsuit alleging anti-asian discrimination against Harvard.
There are similar scenarios playing out across the country. In NYC, the mayor is trying to eliminate an admissions test because he is not happy with the demographic profile of the kids are that are getting in. He is also contemplating a proposal to eliminate all gifted and talented programs in the city.
…can you be a tad more specific?
And what does this have to do with being a woke SJW?
And what does this have to do with being a woke SJW?
I’m a literal card-carrying-woke-SJW and I don’t have a fucking clue what you are talking about. If you want to have a Great Debate you need to start by having something to debate.
The was the term is being used on boards discussing the movement in NYC to eliminate objective admissions criteria and dismantle the gifted and talented program. It seems to apply to woke SJWs that have fallen head first down the rabbithole of race politics to the some ridiculous conclusions.
These are people who subscribe to a racial oppression pecking order that allows them to dismiss the concerns of asian americans if it even peripherally threatens the interests of minorities higher up on the pecking order.
It may all die down when the lawsuit is over, but it wouldn’t take much to remind asians how elements of the left rushed to Harvard’s defense and called asians selfish racists for being concerned about anti-asian discrimination. And noone stood up for us against this, and we can’t shake the feeling that if this had happened to any other minority group, there would have been a pretty unified front against the discrimination.
The left is no longer the safe haven against racism that we once thought it was. There are no more political safe spaces for asians.
https://admissionscase.harvard.edu/supporting-documents
Woke SJW’s saw this as a threat to affirmative action (and it well may undermine affirmative action as it is practiced today) and immediately dismissed the concerns of anti-asian discrimination.
Most of the folks supporting harvard over asians are woke SJWs.
is that enough background?
I wouldn’t blame white supremacy as such, but the US is a country with low social mobility where blacks started below the bottom: many could not say they had as much as a penniless white until maybe a decade or two after the civil rights movement.
In terms of the Asian-american situation, it’s more complicated. Some indeed started from the bottom, and they would benefit from efforts to make society more meritocratic and less dependent on where you grew up or whether you got tuition for the test.
But many are from families that had already succeeded academically or economically in their home countries.
And in terms of foreign students coming to the US to study, a high proportion of them are from wealthy families.
So it is not surprising that when we’re talking about economic inequality and how blacks are disadvantaged from where they go to school that few people are concerned with the kids who went to a school in Shanghai that costs $30,000 / yr and got extra tuition on the weekends.
Then on other issues like police brutality, I am unaware of this even being a problem for asian americans. If it is, then for sure I would also protest that.
All that said, as someone living in China, it’s clear to me that the whole society places a huge value on academic achievement.
And yes, it would be good if we could build such a culture among say blacks or latinos. I would agree with that. But that doesn’t mean the system is fair for kids growing up in poor families, or that the best or only way to tackle the problems is to focus on culture.
…there is no mention of “woke SJW’s” in either case. How are woke SJW’s related to this case?
I am no threat to affirmative action, I can assure you.
I haven’t dismissed any concerns of anti-asian discrimination.
Cite?
Not even fucking close.
With Jeremy Lin being kicked out of the NBA, there isn’t a single Asian player in the league.
Why don’t my liberal friends cry out for diversity? Why doesn’t the woke NBA implement affirmative action to rectify this injustice? Why doesn’t Andrew Yang mention this? He tweets about the Knicks.
I’ll never understand why Asians vote liberal when it does nothing for them.
Yeah and how come feminists may still claim there’s discrimination yet they do nothing to try to get women to play in the NFL!?!
Let me walk you through the logic here:
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You start a thread about how Asians feel disenchanted with liberals because they believe baizuo want to use AA to discriminate against Asian-Americans in some convoluted attempt to prove white supremacy is why black and Latinos can’t succeed. Or something.
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I then point out that Asian-Americans have a misplaced focus on AA; most of the discrimination occurs outside of AA. When black and Latino students are constantly the go-to examples for unfairness, if reveals a racially biased mindset taken straight out of white Republican playbooks. “Baizuo” smacks of the same.
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Your response to this is to then deny that Asian-Americans are focused on AA. Which obviously makes no sense, since this very thread is about baizuo and their ideological position on AA. That’s what you’re saying is all the talk on the internets, right? That reveals the fixation that I’m talking about.
Which one, Blum’s or the other one?
This premise–“success is supposed to be impossible for anyone that is not white in America’s white supremacist culture”–is an idiotic premise, as easily disproved as the words Oprah Winfrey.
Fortunately, nobody believes this premise. Anyone who thinks there’s an entire subculture that believes this premise is fantasizing.
DA, I dearly hope you don’t buy into the ridiculous idea that such people exist. But if you don’t, this thread is puzzling.
If you do buy into that ridiculous idea, please start by finding a single person with any sort of power whatsoever (here I’m excluding a random highschooler on a Tweetstorm) that holds this belief.
This is telling. As if school admissions should be some rack-and-stack measure of qualifications.
Then how about a link or two? Even a name. Let us judge for ourselves.
In terms of highly selective colleges (think top 30 in the country) one of the neatest tricks has been convincing upper-middle class white and Asian parents that all “their” slots at these schools have been taken up by under-represented minorities, most especially African Americans, who don’t “deserve” the slot.
The reality is that the BEST ways to get into a highly selective college are:[ul]
[li]Have parents who went there[/li][li]Have parents who have or seem likely to donate large sums of money [/li][li]Attend one of the top 25 or so “independent” schools in the country[/li][li]Be a recruited athlete[/li][/ul]
ALL those categories are dominated by rich white elites. But the resentment is aimed at the 7-10% of these schools that are black.
People who object to AA policies at private schools think that AA is driven by some tree-hugger empathy bullshit. It’s not. Elite schools cater to the (very) wealthy. That’s who built them, that’s who they are for. The very wealthy want to go to school with 1) other very wealthy people 2) interesting people from diverse backgrounds. They don’t particularly want to go to school with a bunch of kids who are the children of professionals, who attended a generic “great” high school full of other children of professionals . They want a chance to have a Black Friend, a Gay Friend, A Poor Friend. But not too many.
Everyone who is not full-pay at an elite school has been recruited as a PROP to improve the experiences of the kids that pay. Actual admissions officers are often very well-intentioned and want to help individual kids, but the institutional philosophy is about keeping the school the sort of school that Rich Elites want.
If the T30 schools just quit admitting Black applicants, it would be no easier for middle-class and upper-middle class Asians to get in. They’d just admit more elites.
And I missed that there was a second page. My apologies for the redundancies.
One other thing: I do a LOT of highly selective college admissions work, and one thing I would add is that it is every bit as hard for a white, upper-middle class kid to get into a T20 as an Asian kid with the same stats. This doesn’t show up in the data, because it doesn’t distinguish between
[ul]
[li]Taylor, whose parents are a moderately successful lawyer and doctor and have a household income of $275K and who goes to “one of the best high schools in [flyover state]”[/li]
[li]Jordan, whose parents are partners at a partners at their respective law firms and who make $850K/year and who went to Lawrence Academy[/li][/ul]
But I gotta tell you, it doesn’t matter if Taylor is Asian or white. They will have to have cured cancer to get into Harvard. Jordan will not have to do nearly as much–Asian or white. The discrimination is toward sorta generic High Income, Low Wealth kids.
You mean the wealthy white elites are benefiting from pitting various minorities against each other (and against poor whites)? What are the chances of that happening in America?