Are you equating Asian males to females?
I thought diversity is our strength. I guess that doesn’t apply to liberal Hollywood and NBA and NFL.
If you want to see a yellow face in Hollywood, the only ones are Sponge Bob and the Simpsons.
Right wing debate traps: not fooling anyone since 1776.
Since you are in China, where the term originated, is that attitude actually common? Is there actually a sizable amount of folks who think western liberalism is nutty? Or is it more of a Chinese Internet thing?
Props? That’s a pretty harsh indictment of higher education.
It’s literally what they say. They don’t say “prop”, they say “provide a diverse environment for all students”. But the diversity is there to improve the environment for the rest. And the diversity benefits from the experience, don’t get me wrong–it’s probably a fair trade–but that’s why they have been recruited, as surely as the football player was recruited so that everyone else could have the experience of rooting for a home team.
I believe you. It’s just I hadn’t thought of the reasons in that way before and it seems inhuman and overly exploitive.
It’s mostly because the alternative is to vote for racists or people who traffic with them. If they could abandon their racism, they would be a viable alternative for immigrant groups like asians but it looks like they are going in the other direction and doubling down on the racism these days.
The people supporting Harvard are the woke SJWs. They are the ones telling asians that they are racist for opposing anti-asian discrimination.
I never said you were.
Good for you, I never said you did.
Do you seriously still not understand which case I am talking about after I linked all the court documents? Because that was your questions:
“…what lawsuit?”
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21845982&postcount=82
Then I said the lawsuit against harvard.
Then you asked me to be more specific. Are you still confuised about which lawsuit I am talking about or have you shifted to debating the fact that most of the people who are defensing Harvard are woke SJWs?
Because i don’t a study I can cite.
I can provide a list of examples, starting with the amicus briefs in the harvard case and articles by woke SJWs, Netflix shows about how asians are the worst kinds of americans for fighting against anti-asian discrimination, varoious nthreads on this board where the woke SJW crowd waffles between accusations of racism and flat out denial that there is any discrimination going on.
Do YOU believe that harvard is or may be discriminating against asians in the admissions process?
…I’m a woke SJW. I haven’t told any asians they are racist for opposing anti-asian discrimination.
But I’m a woke SJW. You did say that I did.
But I am a woke SJW. You are saying that I did.
This has nothing to do with my question. I answered your question.
I’m not confused at all.
You haven’t come fucking close to explaining how woke SJW’s fit into this narrative you’ve created. You are adding 1 + 1 and coming up with 3. Nothing you say makes any sense.
Show me these examples written by woke SJW’s.
Cite?
Cite?
To be honest I don’t really give a fuck. I don’t live in America. I can only imagine Harvard in the most abstract of ways. I’m not going to read the legal documents you cited because reading legal document hurts my brain. And with all due respect I don’t trust your interpretation of what those documents say and what they mean.
I’m here because you’ve made specific claims about woke SJW’s. And as a member of the woke SJW community I’m here to correct your misconceptions of what it means to be a woke SJW. Woke SJW’s do not “immediately dismiss the concerns of anti-asian discrimination.” That isn’t what we do. Its in our charter. So whatever it is you are ranting about in this thread: it doesn’t have anything at all to do with anything that a woke SJW actually said.
If you are muddling your way through the first part then you are not going to get any of the rest of this.
It is very important to understand how much the woke SJW crowd has invested in the notion that all the racial disparity is STILL due to racism (in this case white supremacy) and pretty much ONLY racism. See Critical race theory.
And now it has become racist to imply that the URM community might be able to do something to improve its own situation. See how to be an anti-racist.
I think you are projecting. Where do I blame AA, or focus on it. It seems to me that YOU are the one that is focused on AA. You are the one that sees anti-asian discrimination through the prism of what effect fightintg anti-asian discrimination might have on AA. You, not me.
When did I do that? AFAICT, I mention the unjustly admitted white students far more frequently than AA admits. It seems that once again you are projecting YOUR issues.
Yes, their focus on AA, like yours, blinds them to any arguments that might pose any sort of potential threat to AA even if it means discrimination against asians. Asians are not opposed to AA. They just think the baizuo who oppose addressing anti-asian discrimination because they THINK it might pose some sort of potential threat to AA are actually being racist against asians.
The fixation is yours. The fixation is on the part of the baizuo. We’d like to get AA out of the conversation, it is keeping people who would otherwise oppose anti-asian discrimination from doing so. Because they are afraid that in the process of achieving fairness for asians, we might create an argument against AA.
THEY are the ones talking about AA, not us. Pretty much every amicus brief is talking about AA. The lawsuit barely mentions it. Almost every article opposing the lawsuit talks about AA. The supporters spend all their time trying to convince people it’s not about AA, it’s about anti-asian discrimination. But our woke SJW friends tell us that we are naive and being hoodwinked because of course this is about AA. They tell us that the white supremacists are only offering a short and temporary respite from discrimination by liberals in order to achieve a greater victory with our unwitting cooperation that will result in much more oppressive discrimination by conservatives…
What other one? I am only aware of Blum’s
Just get to your point. Shodan did it already so there’s no need to be cute.
It’s not “woke SJWs” who are defending Harvard’s admission policies – it’s rich white parents. Maybe some of them are liberal, but they’re not defending Harvard because they’re liberal… they’re defending Harvard because they want to justify/rationalize special benefits for their kids.
Not that success is impossible for any single person. That success is impossible for any minority group. And do you really need cites for that?
Absolutely!
Given equal rack and stack qualifications (including extra-curriculars and sports, etc), the white applicants were several times more likely to be admitted than asian applicants.
What unquantifiable quality do these white students have in so much abundance that they are several times more likely to be admitted?
You are very dismissive of anti-asian discrimination. I wonder if you would be as dismissive of discrimination against other minorities.
The problem with implementing affirmative action in something like competitive sports is that it’s a uniquely unforgiving environment for those who aren’t cut out for the role. Whatever the reason may be for Asians not being represented well in the NBA - be it their lack of interest in pursuing a roster spot, or lack of physical practice in it, or whatever - forcing teams to have Asian players whether the teams want it or not would be an utter embarrassment on the court. You would end up with Asian players being absolutely drubbed and humiliated on the court because they weren’t truly cut out for it. Jeremy Lin got into the NBA because 1) he had the physical goods and 2) he was psychologically motivated enough to make it happen.
If you want affirmative action in academic admissions or the corporate boardroom or something like that, the damage that can be caused is better shielded and less visible. But doing it in a professional sport, in front of a TV audience of millions, would be absolutely cringeworthy.
Serious question–did they weigh feeder schools and relative wealth (not just current income, but “development potential” level wealth?
Uh, yeah, I really fuckin do. I’ve been involved in leftist groups for nearly half a century, and I have never heard a leftist saying that “success is impossible for any minority group.” What a dumbass claim that would be.
I think you’ll find, if you look for cites, that this is an imaginary claim. You may consider saving face by citing something different, but I urge you not to go that route, and instead admit that no significant leftist has ever made this claim. That way lies real learning and personal growth.
That is not what this is about but for some reason the people who are defending harvard keep insisting that it is. This is not about black kids and affirmative action. This is about anti-asian discrimination, not AA.
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The reality is that the BEST ways to get into a highly selective college are:[ul]
[li]Have parents who went there[/li][li]Have parents who have or seem likely to donate large sums of money [/li][li]Attend one of the top 25 or so “independent” schools in the country[/li][li]Be a recruited athlete[/li][/ul]
And even with these things being corrected for why are white students more likely to be admitted than asian students?
You’re not seeing that resentment here regarding the harvard lawsuit.
This sounds like a really good argument for removing their tax exampt status.
I will note that asian admission at harvard this year have reached a 40 year high. Why is the asian population at Harvard the same as it was 40 years ago despite the asian population being about 4 times larger? You sure there’s no anti-asian discrimination there?
So in your estimation they are sacrificing rich white students to admit the poor black ones? I have studies that say otherwise. Do you also have studies that support your position?
And yet places like Harvard have a higher threshhold for recruiting asians from flyover country compared to the white kids in [flyover flyover]. Why is there a higher threshhold for an asian student to be recruited based on their PSAT?