So…I’ve been thinking…about cocaine. Everyone knows what happens when it’s et, smoked, or snorted. It also acts as a general anesthetic. Here are my questions.
Does it give you the same high if you absorb it through the skin, does rubbing a rail on the gums have the same effect as snorting and does it have the same effect as rubbing it on the forearm. Now, I know that the absorbtion times will of course be different, but is there any difference in the absorbtion ammount. Also, is it toxic. For example, if you were to rub it on the glans of a penis, a clitoris, or an anus, would you damage said tissue. Would it simply numb it, would it again be absorbed.
I don’t know what the hell made me start thinking about this, but now I’m quite curious.
I’m pretty sure that intake for drugs like cocaine or other stimulants that work through the bloodstream (count nicotine, caffeine and alchohol in this category as well) that your order of effect goes like this intravenous->IntradermaL(skin popping)–> respiratory (the lungs are obviously highly vascular)—> and finally orally.
Oral dosing is going to have a lesser effect because it has to go through hell to get into the bloodstream and you lose a lot of it by processing.
By the way, no one calls it a rail anymore. You two are old degenerate geezers :). I get laughed at whenever I try to buy a “lid”, damn kids today got no respect.
I’d insert in zen101’s hierarchy (hmm…can’t think of a big word for it right now) snorting into the sinuses between respiratory (to the lungs) and orally (to the tummy). The rate that the substance enters your blood has a lot to do with the experience. Someone who takes an oral dose of, say, a barbiturate does not experience the same “rush” that an IV user does.
ugh. yuck. So, I wonder if rubbing it on organs would have the same effect? The article seemed to indicate maybe no. Come on people, let’s do our job to fucking fight ignorance.
Well, I’m not a doctor or anything, but I think I can answer this. Back when I was a wee lad (16, to be specific) I got a really crappy job working as a bagger at a grocery store. That itself has nothing to do with cocaine, of course, except that I briefly worked with another bagger who could only get jobs that crappy, owing to the fact that he was just out of a 6 month stay in Juvenile Detention for dealing (wait for it) cocaine. He didn’t last but a week, and probably went back to dealing, but in the meantime, he was the only guy who had lunch when I did.
Anyhow, according to him, one of the things that happened to him in JD was withdrawal from a low grade coke addiction that he’d had for awhile. He had never actually done the stuff, not intentionally, but (like some baggers, which is where this started) he had a habit of licking his fingers to lubricate them, in order to make slinging those little bags easier. Apparently, loose powder got through his skin just often enough to give him a bit of a buzz. No more than that, but there you have it. I doubt he had the creativity to make this up, either, nor was he likely to hide an actual cocaine habit…
On further reflection, oldscratch, while I’ve heard people talk about cocaine enhancing sex, and it is a stimulant, I think its primary medical use is as a local anesthetic. So if the GF (or whatever) snorts a little coke and then proceeds to fellate her partner while a numbing agent is likely dripping out her nostrils into the oral cavity, the results might be a little less than stimulating. It seems like the effect would be the same with application to any body part.
The second time I had reconstructive work done on my nose I was give a small supply of medical grade cocaine for the pain. It was flaky powder and I was to apply it with a q-tip. It worked ok but oral vicatin on a later occasion and percocet on another occasion worked beter for the same pain.
Having never been a coke freak but having known a few I have to surmise that medical coke is weaker than the street stuff.
depending on the ambient humidity, you occasionally get a few lil nugs stuck to the mirror… everybody I know will wipe it up with a finger or thumb and lick the leavins off. Don’t know if it actually does anything, though, as the amount is usually pretty small compared to the amount you’ve just chomped…
I once read that the actor Errol Flynn (the original Robin Hood) used to rub cocaine on his scrotum before having sex. Apparently, he saw some use for the practice, at least according to wherever it was that I read this.
Not true. Pharmaceutical coke is produced in a labratory and is pure while that on the street was not pure when produced and has been cut at least once (probably by at least half) before it reaches the street.
A doctor may prescribe a diluted dosage, but the medical grade coke, in it’s original form, is much stronger.
Cocaine itself is not toxic. However, the chemicals used to cut it and isolate it from the coca leaf are toxic. They will erode and irritate any living flesh they come into contact with–that’s why the mashers who stomp on the leaf in its chemical soup wear heavy galoshes. Cocaine is very close to naturally occurring chemicals that can be found in the nervous system, as are LSD, THC, morphine, and other drugs. You can overdose on cocaine, but this is not a toxic reaction–you aren’t poisoned, in other words–but from an intense reaction to the drug’s natural effect. The heart can be overworked, for example. This is the most common cause of death from cocaine overdose.
By contrast, alcohol is a poison and is toxic (that’s why it’s used as a topical antiseptic). Use of alcohol causes cells in the brain and liver to die. Lifetime abuse of alcohol will result in liver failure and brain damage, whereas a person could use cocaine or heroin or THC for a lifetime with modest restraint and remain in good health. Most deaths from heroin and cocaine result from accidental overdose which is a side effect of the drugs being illegal. Drug dealers are not required to give accurate dosage amounts the way drug companies are. This is one argument for legalization. If you purchased heroin or cocaine from Upjohn or Pfizer rather than Moe at the corner of 127th and Elverado, you would know the strength of the drug you were receiving and would be able to use it more responsibly.
Cocaine is used as a stimulant to sexual performance–you’ll be an eager beaver all night, given enough product. Many men have problems with premature ejaculation, or so I am told, and anesthetizing the glans with a bit of cocaine-adulterated mucus or saliva can delay ejaculation indefinitely.
Inhaling a drug through the lungs is the most direct route to the brain. IV injection is number two. Ingestion number three. IM injection (or skin popping) a distant fourth. The advantage of using a slower method of delivering drug to brain is that the onset is less dramatic, reducing the probability of respiratory arrest or heart failure, and the duration of the effect of the drug is increased, so you’re higher for longer. Then, when you begin to yearn for more, the desire is less intense. That’s why crack is so addictive and why people who skin-pop drugs can quit more easily than those who inject them into veins.
I took classes in this in public health in college, so none of this is first-hand knowledge, in case the DEA is listening in.
I thought a bulletload was a bump, and less thank a line. But what do I know…
Anyway, my addition to this discussion is comes from the high-class hooker novel “You’ll Never Make Love in This Town Again,” in which there was an anecdote relating to Heidi Fleiss. The prostie in question said that Heidi was never seen to do drugs, except for one time when Heidi asked the aforementioned prostie to rub some cocaine on her nipples because she was pregnant and they were sore. There are so many things wrong with that story I can’t begin to count them, not the least of which is Heidi’s ability to touch her own nipples - are they that saggy? - but nevertheless it does support the “numbing” idea.
Why you’d want to numb your genitalia is beyond me. Ice is cheaper for that sort of thing.
As for the grocery bagger getting high, I think it’s more likely he was getting high from the cocaine he was licking off his fingers, not the cocaine his fingertips absorbed, a subtle but important distinction.
