I dunno, the law as posed in the OP sounded pretty good to me. I would also support a similar ordinance for screaming babies in restaurants, though in that case it’s the parents I’d impound.
:rolleyes:
It would seem that for doggie aficionados, barking is akin to childhood laughter. It also seems incomprehensible to some dog people that there are people in the world that don’t like dogs, or that for said people, sustained barking is, categorically, unpleasant noise.
NO, not all “doggie afficiandos” (I’m one, I suppose.) Like most responsible true dog people, I go to great measures to make sure my dogs (including the Rottweilers) are exemplary ambassadors for their breed, and I certainly realise and respect that not everyone likes dogs. Real dog people are probably more considerate on the whole than run of the mill idiot owners. And what Moonlitherial said. Every place I’ve lived, I have introduced myself to new neighbors and encouraged them to let me know if my dogs are annoying them in any way - I’ve also been told “we like that dogs bark if they see or hear something weird.”*
Hell I don’t like barking dogs, which is why I tell mine to shut up after about 30 seconds of barking. Which is a rare occurence, since I choose non-barky dogs to begin with.
*I assume people mean, dogs that bark occasionally, not for hours at a time. Seriously, if someone chooses to live in a community surrounded with other humans (and their animals), it’s that person’s responsibility to accept kids playing in the street, stinky barbeques, leaf blowers and lawnmowers, the annoying car warming up in the driveway next door for 30 minutes on cold mornings, cigarette butts on your street and so on. If one wants to be unencumbered by evidence of other humans, then buy a place way out in the middle of nowhere.
My dog is a barker. She barks at other dogs, squirrels in the trees, or people on the street (delivery people and such). I’ve tried to train it out of her to no avail. If I’m home and she’s in the yard and starts to bark too much, I’ll bring her inside.
For when I leave her outside for extended periods, I’ve got a bark collar for her, and it works well.
Not at all. It just doesn’t warrant a “death death death inflict grief upon a family” response that some are advocating. There are reasonable ways to approach a problem with your neighbour rather than killing what - to many of them - is close to a child. Not a child, but a hell of a lot closer than a hamster or one’s neighbour’s family.
An episode of six minutes is annoying, sure. It doesn’t warrant a death sentence and months of grief. And make no mistake - that IS what “take the dog away” means. They don’t go to a farm where their family can visit them every day. It means death.
A sustained issue requires more extreme measures, sure. Six minutes once does not. It requires a polite, neighbourly conversation.
And if a single six minutes of quiet us more important to you than a dog’s life - you’re dead to me. You weren’t ever human.
I suspect there’s as much hyperbole here as I’ve used, and this doesn’t really happen except on message boards.
Word.
A long time ago (almost 30 years ago) I acquired a dog - a stray I ended up keeping - who, being a collie mix, was naturally vocal. She was an awesome dog apart from her barkbarkbarkbarkbarkbark will not shut up barkbarkbark at every damn thing habit.
I trained her not to bark by teaching her to bark on command. It sounds counter-intuitive, but was really effective. Once her barking was “on command”, all I had to do was tell her “thank you” and give her a treat or praise after two or three woofs. She’d bark once when I said “speak”, then shut up and wait for praise. She quickly learned to bark once to alert, then come to me for a treat/praise. I’ve used this technique on many dogs since.
Many dogs only bark when their owners are in the vicinity, to inform them about whatever. Dogs that are tied out/under-exercised-bored and barking, this may not work very well.
-doesn’t matter why a dog barks. they are not responsible for their actions which puts the responsibility for disturbing the peace on the owners of the dogs.
A barking dog is no different then someone beeping their car horn. And while 6 minutes seems like a short amount of time the reality of the situation is that it’s never just 6 minutes. It’s a pattern of barking that goes unabated. Whether the consequence of breaking the law is fair can be debated but not the nature of the crime. Barking dogs are very annoying and completely unnecessary.
Would seem like a good solution as a first or second offense.
What a stupid thing to say.
Yes, they are. As are many other things. Mainly people.
None of these things warrant death sentences.
by all means, explain how a barking dog is different than someone beeping a horn.
I didn’t advocate killing anyone or even the dog. Get a grip.
One is deliberate; the other is not. The difference is clear.
Have you read the thread? It’s about taking a dog away after a few minutes of barking; and we all know that “no-kill” shelters are almost non-existent. I’m trying to make it clear to folks that their “solution”* is* a death penalty, and they can’t not take that into account before leaping into retributive action over a few minutes of noise.
Your comment was read in context of the thread; if you suggest a more reasonable means of dealing with the situation - good! I’m with you there. I with you all the way in that a dog which barks all the time requires action. I’m trying to steer this view away from “a dog barked for six minutes, so it should be removed” because that commonly has only one end point, and it’s not nice.
That makes no sense at all. You are as responsible for what your pet does as you are for beeping a horn and one is as annoying as the other.
I did, it was the next posting.
Of course, you could actually read what the laws stipulate and what transpires before you get you underwear in a bind.
"Excessive barking
Excessive barking is an offence and council staff will respond to reported barking problems. Residents are obliged to complete a survey before an investigation can begin. Initially, the owner will receive an administrative letter. If the problem continues and further complaints are reported, council will investigate.
Anti-barking collars
Council provides anti-barking dog collars for hire. Customers are required to complete a rental agreement and collect the collars from the Sir Albert Abbott Administration Building on Gordon Street. The collars are noise activated and release citronella. The collars can be hired for a period of one to two weeks."
I agree the former is negligence. The latter is intention. They are both bad, but the latter is worse. Even the legal definition of each makes a distinction, as well as the common definition of each.
I’m not arguing that it’s good or excusable. I’m just saying it’s not the same as deliberately doing it.
You clearly disagree. We won’t agree in that.
Or you could read the whole thread before getting so snarky and smug about my underwear instead of just the first and last comments. There’s a context here. 
I wasn’t responding to the law; we’ve established earlier in the thread that the actual law is not as originally presented to us. That subject is done. I was responding to the militant zero-tolerance opinions of some posters in this thread.
Can anyone post any comparison laws?
I know the regional council here where I live specifically do not destroy problem dogs until they have attempted to rehouse them with no success. They first go to a charity organisation known as Brave Companions who have contacts with the RSPCA who try to find a more suitable environment.
The regional council next door to us have recently adopted the same attitude and all their strays and problem dogs are now processed through the Animal Welfare League.
So its no longer just a case of killing these dogs as soon as the ordinance is carried through around my area. But that wasn’t the case 5 or so years ago and I would imagine a lot of council, shire, county laws worldwide would still do so.
Fortunately we don’t have any problem dogs in this neighborhood, but in the house we lived in before…oh my! There was a small yappy dog somewhere within a few houses - I never tried to pinpoint the location to keep myself from killing the owner. Poor dog was outside in all weather and complained constantly about it. It was very annoying to hear “yap yap yap yap…” for literally an hour straight at all hours of the day and night. I didn’t blame the dog, I blame the owners. If you don’t have the time or inclination to care for and spend time with a dog, don’t get the damned dog!
I’m no fan of unecessary surgical procedures…but if the only problem is incessant barking, I’d suggest debarking surgery before killing the dog.
It’s not so much disagreement as we appear to be making 2 different points about the same thing. My point is that barking is as annoying as someone honking a horn and your point involves intent.
I myself stumbled across the thread as I was in the middle of yet another serenade from neighborhood dogs who bark at everything. It’s a hot-button topic to be sure.
It appears from what I’ve read that there is a lengthy procedure involved before anybody loses their dog. This should give ample opportunity to remedy the situation.