I think the non meatsack Cylons aren’t numbered. Theyr’e like domesticated animals.
Kick.
ASS.
Gonna watch it again with the podcast. Back tomorrow.
No, the original meatstick models got activated somehow, presumably starting as babies? There probably could be “new” ones if they were manufactured the same way, but they also made (and may still produce) persistent-vegetative-state adult bodies as spares. They may already have all the “souls” that their God wants them too, or perhaps they already know none of them can reproduce. Maybe that’s from some loss of resolution in the duplication process during cloning?
Sounds good to me.
Did Sharon’s family life really happen? Did a Cylon child replace a human child like the fairies, or were those memories planted in her?
I’m guessing implant. Boomer’s ‘parents’ for instance were killed in a mining accident on Troy. I imagine all the other sleeper agents have similar memories with nobody around to contradict what they ‘remember’ about their past.
Which raises the question … what do the Cylons* know and how do they know it?
If one Cylon knows something, can it upload that knowledge to other Cylons? or to a collective Cylon consciousness? Or is “knowledge” limited to the individual Cylon and the successors to which it downloads when its body dies?
*Or “the Cylon,” which the Cylons themselves seem to use as a collective plural, as in “a hero of the Cylon.”
When Starbuck flew through the resurrection ship, there appeared to be a bunch of Six models in some sort of storage bays. For that reason, I think the cylons keep blank models around waiting for download. Sort of like “hardware” sitting around waiting for a “software” download of memories.
That said, there have to be brand new models activated without a download. It wouldn’t do much good to download memories into a sleeper model only to erase those memories and replace them with sleeper programming. They probably also have brand new incarnations outside of the sleepers. The Six in this episode didn’t seem to have much experience with reincarnation (she mentioned difficulty adjusting to a new body like it was a new experience for her). So they probably have models in their first incarnation that know they’re cylons, models in their first incarnation that are sleepers, and those that have had multiple downloads. I wonder if there’s some sort of cylon status to having multiple downloads, like “I’m in my 5th incarnation how 'bout you? only the first? n00b!”
It makes sense to handcuff the model prior to download. Some of them die pretty violently and likely “wake up” in full on attack mode! I think it was very well done and believable that Sharon and Six woke up in near hysterics. In their experience, one second they’re being either shot or blown up and the next they’re in some bath tub with a bunch of people standing around staring at them! A peaceful awakening wouldn’t make sense.
I tend to think the sleeper models start up as adults with a bunch of false memories rather than as babies. If they have the technology, it makes more sense to do it that way. So much can happen in the years it would take for the model to grow up that there would be too many variables to count on them being able to accomplish their mission. Suppose they started a baby Sharon and she had an accident or some other experience while growing up that led to her being unable to fly or or join the fleet. It would be much more efficient to get them set up with false memories and ready to start their mission right away.
I think the baby they showed Boomer on Galactica was dead and probably the miscarried baby of one of the potential adoptors. It looked rather blue and corpse like. In fact, it almost looked too much so. I wondered why Sharon didn’t notice that this baby seemed to have been dead for quite some time. Even a simple switcheroo would be pretty distasteful for Cottle. He was asked to take a baby away from its parents, tell those parents the baby had died, and then lie to the adopting mother about the baby’s origins. I can see Cottle having issues with that. However, it wasn’t too distasteful for him to actually do the deed. I don’t know that he would have agreed to drug into unconsiousness a baby already struggling with medical issues. So that, added to the fact that the baby looked really darned dead, leads me to believe it was the dead child they showed Sharon and Helo.
the impression I get with the multiple models is that each number has a basic set of core memories in common, both Sharons remember service in the fleet and the Chief even though only one was his girlfriend. somewhere along the line memories are updated somehow.
after that point though who knows.
Yeh, I was wondering too if we saw any new Cylon models. I noticed the shot of Bald Guy from the rear; I couldn’t say without record & review.
I had thought Sharon was raised from infancy by adopted parents, but I guess now that’s just her cover story.
Sooner or later we’re going to have to find out how interconnected different models and “The Cylon” is as a whole. I wonder if MommyBoomer is a special issue made from a backup of Sharon’s memories for the purpose of mating with Helo- none of the other Sharons seem to have that renegade streak.
Head Six/ Head Baltar = Satan
My WAG is that the souls uploaded into the meatbag cylons that make them “human” are rare and/or difficult to produce. Perhaps their God is a human scientist (Baltar???) that hand-crafted each soul and only made a few of them (12 times X) before the attack. Baltar was protected by Six during the attack, maybe it was intended that he remain on Caprica and continue cranking out souls, but instead he got away. Now, the cylons are desperate to come up with the means of producing more of their kind containing souls, thus the cross-breeding experiment with humans.
Some other thoughts/WAGs:
Any significance to the fact that there are 12 colonies and 12 models of meatbag cylons? Maybe each model contains genetic material related to one of the original Gods of Kobol?
Seeing Baltar inside the head of Caprica Six makes me wonder what would happen if Momma-Boomer and Helo became physically separated by large distances for any extended period of time; would each of them start seeing love-induced interactive hallucinations of the other too?
Kick-ass episode. It makes the shabbier episodes lately worth it.
And I can’t believe it frakkin’ took me fifteen minutes to realize that was Lucy Lawless. :smack:
E.
Fraking great episode!
Cylon mind & thought technology is pretty advanced, but I think the original Caprica Six screwed up. I remember way back, I think in the miniseries, Six made a comment to Baltar they should make a copy of his brain for study, or some such. I think she actually tried, while Baltar was sleeping. There’s no chip in his brain. Never was. She used Cylon tech on him and in the process got copies of each other’s consciousness imprinted in each other’s minds. Oops. Way cool though.
It’s really unfair we don’t get to see a resurrected Leoben. Other than Baltar, there are no intriguing male characters on this show and apparently Moore has designed it that way. Heck, I’m surprised he even bothered bringing Doral back for a few pointless lines. They showed the back of a black guy’s head. I suppose that was supposed to be Simon, but since they didn’t even show his face, and it didn’t look like his head anyway it was probably just an extra standing in for him.
Why didn’t Ron Moore just go ahead and make the Cylons an all-female race?
Xena kept saying “Hero of the Cylon.” So which is it, “The Cylons” or “The Cylon?”
They couldn’t show all the Cylons that have been revealed to us so far (Six, Sharon, Doral, Leoban, D’anna, and Simon). If they did it would make the absence of the other 6 models even more conspicuous. Plus the actors probally weren’t available.
It would be nice if they explained why there are only 12 models. It seems silly to me.
I also find the whole playing human thing to be really bizarre. Maybe it’s supposed to be. Like why would they rebuild Caprica’s cities to hang out and drink coffee? Also, didn’t they nuke the hell out of everything? Why are buildings still standing?
Well, they (boomer and six) were concerned with Memories from xenabot (#3 if you so choose)… six specifically stated that they had some time before the ‘replacement’ awakened, as there were about 30 or so others that died in the explosion.
That suggests that the memories are unique to the individual cylon… furthered by PregBoomers comments about ‘not’ knowing she shot Adama and “it doesnt work that way”.
Neutron bombs.
I found it so too, but maybe that’s normal behavior for the meat toasters.
But if they act human, how long until the metal toasters revolt against them as they did against humans? 
Yeah, this was one helluva episode. It’s great to learn something about what the Cylons are doing. But… I really don’t like the head games thing. I just find it very irritating to see Six or Baltar acting so obviously strange and nobody calls them on it. Still, this was a good one. Next week looks good, too. First hour of the 2-hour season finale.
Incidentally, we already knew there was a Hummer dealership on Caprica. We now know they had '500’s Citroen DS’s and '80’s Chevy Celebrities, but what was the other car in the cafe parking garage? The small, round-fendered one with the three headlights? Tuckerfan, y’all out there, son?
And, btw, is there anything known about when the next season starts?
yeah, not frakin soon enough 