Battlestar Galactica 2.18 — "Downloaded" (spoilstar gaspoilica)

Cafe Society
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So it seems Moore is saying that Six is Baltar’s hallucination. Six dies in the bomb blast on Caprica and awakes with a Baltar. Is he a real superimposed mind or an hallucination?

  1. He could be a real mind if Six was trying to imprint him because she loves him. Each model seems to be originally imprinted with a human mind. So maybe she was adding his imprint to hers.

  2. He could be an hallucination because she was growing to love and understand him and so grew the same thought processes that made Baltar hallucinate his Six. Or she imprinted enough of Baltar to become just as delusional as he has become.

So I would think that the blast shattered Baltar’s windows and killed Six because she was pelleted with shards. Baltar survived due to Six blocking most of the sards but with some shard scratches and he ran dazed from his apartment and ended up in a crowd of survivors.

One point - remember when Six showed up as an analyst. That wasn’t Baltar’s imagination. Where did she go? Is she going to eventually meet Gina and Caprica Six?

As to Sharon, we have Caprica Sharon existing at the same time as BSG Sharon. So I think at one or more points the BSG Sharon’s mind was downloaded (without being triggered by death) to a new Sharon. Perhaps just during sleep. The point being that the new Sharon could report what was going on. Thus Caprica Sharon and BSG Sharon sharing some recent memories. I would think the download would occur many times and not just, e.g. when she got that hole blown in her cheek.

Technical point: Both Six and Sharon, on waking in pudding, had no goo on their faces or the top part of their hair. I think it was a safety/filming issue. The goo is probably not good to injest and would mess up our view of the actors. But, technically I think they should have awakened under the goo and popped up gasping.

Cute moment: I loved it on the bench when Baltar, Xena, and Six crossed their legs in unison.

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They’d have to make their way all the way back home and then sit around for a few hours.

I don’t think they’d live that long!

-Joe

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As poor as I thought the episode was, it did make one excellent point: That while each meat model may have had a single identity when first activated, they apparently branch into variant models. Take six for example.

Prime Six of which they make several models.

As each dies and is resurrected in a newly grown prime six model, you receive a mental (i.e. programming difference – which is rather explicit in this episode)

Now you have

Prime Six (Several models)

Caprica Six (single model)

Suppose they need several more sixes: They can generate several more prime sixes, or simultaneously download Prime Six and C-Six into several new skins.

Eventually Another P-6 goes down (say leading a rebellion on Battlestart Galactica). If the new memory vault is active, then you now have three basic 6 models P-6, C-6, and G(alactica)-6. In fact, you already have a variant, because G-6 was repeatedly raped and beaten aboard the Pegasus, theoretically further altering her development and creating a variant Model 6.

So, you start with --I’ve forgotten, 12 is it?–x number of Model Y, which then grows into a variant with each experience. Some may have more pronounced experiences, but others will stay more true to their initial imprinting.

This speaks to the G-Sharon model, which is a “model with problems” to begin with–according to Planetside 6. Do those problems stem from a faulty imprint or do they come from some mental abberration on the part of Sharon?

There are cetainly still interesting questions being asked by the series, but few of them involve the refugees from Caprica and elsewhere.

When are they going to learn to “skin” themselves with a different look?
When are they going to realize they are becoming that which they hate (human)?
When are they going to create something non-toaster and Non-human (like the fighters)?
Why haven’t they grown a huge Cylon in space, with Human characteristics, and internal weaponry?

Can you imagine a Galactica sized 6 moving through space? Where do the similarities and the differences end and begin?
Will the refugees survive and find earth? Who cares? They’re a bunch of self-involved, petty, whiners who haven’t bothered to ask themselves if they deserve to survive, let alone given us a reason to think they deserve it.

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Don 't mince words, Gryphon. What do you really think?
:slight_smile:

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I don’t think there is any evidence that the minds of two Model X of Cylons can combine to create a new Model X. But since Sharon can stick a fiber optic cable up her arm and talk to a computer, they should be able to exchange information in a more efficient way than talking and thereby “share” memories.

When Sharon woke disoriented in the giant Lava Lamp, instead of letting her wander around, getting her bearings, and join the Cylon in her own sweet time, you’d think they would just put Sharon’s mind in virtual reality and run her at computer speed until she worked out her “problem”.
Change of topic:

Anders and the rebels said that, paraphrasing, “If we can’t kill them then we can at least give them nightmares when they resurrect and show them its not worth staying around.” This means they know Cylon-humanoids resurrect. How do they know this? From simple observation they should conclude that there are just many copies of each model.

Considering the rebels have been observing the Cylons for awhile, if BSG reaches Anders again then they can just ask him for his recon photos of the twelve different models of Cylon. Anders should have those by now.

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They can be tortured. Maybe while having her fingernails pulled out one of the Sixes spilled the legumes.

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Caprica Boomer hung out with the rebels for a little while. She may have told them. Starbuck already knew about resurrection anyway, from at least the time she tortured Leoben.

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That’s a veeery good point. I hope the writers don’t overlook this one. If they do, it would be a fantastically huge fuckup!

-Joe

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Unless he just barely manages to escape with nothing but the clothes on his back. Then they’d have to rely on his memory. Which would make for an interesting plot. He’d be the most wanted man in the fleet and all the undercover Cylons would be after him, assuming word gets around there’s a Caprica survivor in the fleet who knows what all the models look like.

I like the Anders character, but I’m prepared for him to not live long.

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he’ll live just long enough to declare his undying love for Starbuck… if he does it at the beginning of the episode, you know he has a red-shirt on!

It occured to me today that much of what we think we know about the Cylon Religion (God vs Gods) is all from the mind of Baltar…if we take the podcast bit at face value, then Six’s education, and baltars eventual acceptance of the Cylon God and his being God’s Hand was literally all in his mind and may have little to do with the ‘reality’ of the Cylon religion/belief/etc.

I also find it interesting that Boomer/Six now see the failings in teh Cylon way of things that the Cylons are purpotedly eradicating the humans for… (atleast the reasons given by halucisix to Baltar).

I find this turn of events most interesting.

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Leoben spoke a bit about God’s Plan while Starbuck was torturing him, and later Caprica Boomer also spoke a bit about God’s Plan. So there is a Cylon religion. But you’re right about Baltar. I think he’s developed a Messiah complex quite on his own. Thing is, where did he get his info about the Cylon one-god concept, if ChipSix is only an hallucination?

I also find it interesting how the meat popsicle Cylons are becoming more and more human, right down to the coffee shops. In what significant way are they any better than humans, or even different from them? They think they have a form of communism that works? They don’t kill from hate, greed or jealously? Baloney! Scar definitely was capable of killing from hate, and he was just a dog-Raider.

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That’s one of the aspects of this show that fascinates me the most: ultimately, the Cylons aren’t that different from the humans. They’re evolving quickly, but that evolution just seems to bring them closer to humanity.

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I saw the episode last night and came on here to comment on this. Now I have to go back and see it again to see if I heard it right. When I first saw it the big “continuity error” alarm went off in my head. Anders says something like “Starbuck told us they just resurect themselves.” Of course she found out about this after she left Caprica the last time. Am I remembering wrong?

Another thing that struck me at the time. Cap6 mentions the name Gaius while Anders was still in the room. If he was paying attention he has a lot of information to give Starbuck when he sees her again.

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Gee, I was hoping it would be like Multiplicity; with the hundredth copy (or thereabouts), the copy is seriously flawed and hijinks ensue! :smiley:

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Well, unless “Gaius” is the BSG equivalent of “Steve,” or something.

Though I agree, it’ll be interesting to see what happens if they manage to drag Anders and his knowledge of all twelve models back to the fleet.

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Well, maybe.

We didn’t SEE that–we just heard about it from Cap6 who was desperately trying to connect with ShotAdamaBoomerResurrected. Cap6 was coming off a major flop-sweat over her first failed diety-appeal, and my individual impression was that she would have claimed she had seen penguins playing grand pianos while eating bannana splits if that would have established any common ground.

What we need to be sure is more nudity and hot fudge, I would think. Or ANY nudity, fudge or not :wink:

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I have to say, C-Six’s Baltar hallucination rocks. Finally we see a Baltar that’s got balls and isn’t acting all batshit insane. And who’s saying all the things I yell at the screen whenever HeadSix says something about humans being so destructive. Loved it, loved it, loved it.

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This implies that Six loed Baltar instead of just using him to get into the defense net.
She sees him as being assertive, and he sees her as a dominating, viscious really nasty person. Er, toaster.

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I just got around to watching this ep on my DVR, and I must say I was blown away. The writing on this show is very crisp, well thought-out, and all around awesome. The flashbacks in this case were absolutely necessary to the story. They’re walking the line between being a straight-up serial and accessable to new viewers. And as of this episode, they’re doing a great job of it. At the very least, they’re not assuming any new viewers are total dumbassess–and any who are would probably have more fun watching American Idol anyway. “Did you see that guy? He sings funny.”

So what happens now on Caprica? Will there be a Cylon resistance? Will there be a Cylon Civil War? Or will Cap 6 and Assasin Boomer get the box? And what happens if (or more likely, when) Cap 6 is eventually reunited with Baltar?

Juicy.

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The standard TV thing would be Boomer sentenced to the box; Six helps her escape; they take up with Starbuck’s Paramour and the humans.

Of course, this is Ron Moore, so who knows?