Let’s hope not. Harcesis and Elizabeth. The half-human, half-whatever child with mystical powers stuff has been done, people.
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Has it been established on-screen that Leoben was actually raping Kara? I got the impression he was.
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I don’t think so. He wanted her heart and mind, even more than her body. I doubt he could overpower her anyway.
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I wonder if she’ll stay a baby for the forseable future.
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Good gad, I hope so.
My two greatest fears for BSG are religion being “real”, re Moore’s comments in the Exodus II podcast, “The Cylon and humand religions are both right…” and some alien hybrid child like in the V miniseries.
Oh, three, the humans turning out to all be Cylons of some sort.
If Ellen wakes up in a hot tub Friday, I’ll rent the Goodyear blimp for “Ron Moore Sucks”.
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I doubt he could overpower her anyway.
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I disagree. They went to some length to show his overpowering her during his interrogation in “Last time (or so) on BSG”. He also slapped her unconcious on the stairway in Exodus II.
Yeah, in Flesh and Bone Leoben demonstrated pretty clearly, by breaking his bonds and getting this close to snapping her neck, that he’s a lot stronger than your average human being. Though Kara’s very kickass and all that, I don’t think she’d stand much of a chance in a fair fight with him, nor any of the other Cylons, actually. A 6 beat the crap out of her in the remains of the museum in Delphi, and only by taking a kamikaze dive at her that dropped them both almost ten feet and fortuitously got the 6 skewered on some rebar or something, was she able to win the fight.
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Has it been established on-screen that Leoben was actually raping Kara? I got the impression he was.
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Inquisitor: “Leoben, when did you stop raping Kara?”
“I didn’t stop… wait!”
I never got the impression he raped her. He’s crazy, but he wants her genuine love. He tried getting it with the Stockholm Syndrome thing, then he tried it with cute little kid. Both were stupid ideas.
If he really wants her to love him - and I think a part of her does care about him - he should stick with droning on and on about seeing God’s plan for them etc. Starbuck is religious and deep, deep, deeeeeeeeeeep down she’s a romantic.
So far a Boomer model has experienced true love, and Six model has experienced true love and now a D’Anna model has experienced true love.
When does a boy-bot get to experience true love without being crazy, tricky and/or just plain evil?
Ron Moore is creating lots of sympathy for the hot fem-bots while keeping the males solidly villain.
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So far a Boomer model has experienced true love, and Six model has experienced true love…
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Hey…I know Baltar kind of thinks of Hera and “his” child, wouldn’t what appears to be the love bond between himself and Caprica 6 make it possible for them to have their own true Pop Tart?
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Hey…I know Baltar kind of thinks of Hera and “his” child, wouldn’t what appears to be the love bond between himself and Caprica 6 make it possible for them to have their own true Pop Tart?
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If love is the secret ingredient, then they should. But Baltar caught a lot of radiation leaving Caprica. Would you want his two-headed kid? 
I wonder what’s happening back in The Farms on Caprica? They only blew up one right? Or did Anders manage to blow them all up? Hard to believe if they were scattered planet-wide.
Starbuck may be religious but she’s pretty tied to her polytheistic faith. Unless at some point some Swami descends unto the BSG universe and preaches the whole “All Religions are some Version of the Same Truth” I’m guessing she’s not going to be getting on the monotheism train any time soon.
carniverousplant, it looks like that doesn’t it? Especially since Honey Bunny can apparently channel CreepyCylonDeity.
WTF, please don’t tell me Ron Moore has been spending time at some cheesy ashram.
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If love is the secret ingredient, then they should.
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I can’t think of what else it must be. We know Baltar hasn’t been in the mood much these days, but now that Hera is known to be alive, maybe he’s now got a reason to live again, and hence will get a bit of the old Baltar libido back? No reason why he and 6 can’t be going at it like bunnies in the near future.
Photos from upcoming episodes seem to show that 6 is at least giving it her best shot. Yowza! Those are some nice outfits.
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If Ellen wakes up in a hot tub Friday, I’ll rent the Goodyear blimp for “Ron Moore Sucks”.
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I’m in for that.
I just can’t see it. Yeah, they had a little fun with Ellen’s story, post-Colonial Holocaust, but I don’t think the idea was to seriously suggest Ellen might be a Cylon. Since the survivors knew so little about the nature of the Cylon skinjobs, it was reasonable for them then to suspect anyone might be a copy of human being, rather than a completely original synthetic individual with a fictional biography, like Sharon. There just doesn’t seem to be anything but contrary evidence for Cylons being copiers, and as the twelve models appear to have been created fairly recently to conform to some kind of mystical association with the twelve gods and colonies of their human designers, it just seems far more likely that the remaining unrevealed copies will be as original in design as their known counterparts.
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When does a boy-bot get to experience true love without being crazy, tricky and/or just plain evil?
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The problem is that they always insist on the “swirl” at the end.
I thought the Simon we saw in The Farm started out at least seeming a bit less pathological than a Cavill or a Leoben. I think I remember him having a little chat with a 6 in the hall that Kara overheard, and the content seemed to suggest he was having some misgivings about the way they were dealing with her. I sort of wonder, since he’s a “doctor” model, if he represents some sort of more humanistic (for lack of a better word) archetype.
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Yeah, they had a little fun with Ellen’s story, post-Colonial Holocaust,
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If by that you mean “a totally implausible perfect storm of circumstances whose sole function was to mess with our heads”, then yes, they had a little fun.
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If by that you mean “a totally implausible perfect storm of circumstances whose sole function was to mess with our heads”, then yes, they had a little fun.
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I’d have rather seen a trial of some sort after the escape, but Moore thought it art, so she went.
They did need to lose someone of the major cast for theatrical purposes I suppose.
I think MTV (oooh, that doesn’t look so good ;)) is referring to Ellen’s first appearance early first season, in Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down. Ellen seems to appear out of nowhere, no one remembers rescuing her, and she’s got amnesia due to a head injury that has robbed her of all memory of a big chunk of time from the moment she was rescued, to about a couple weeks before Adama spirits her to the Galactica. Because Adama is sussing Ellen’s case out as secretively as he can, suspicion is sewn among the crew and some high-ranking members of the govt., like Roslin, who herself can’t get Leoben’s whisper of Adama being a cylon out of her head. So some are wondering if Adama’s a cylon, or if Ellen’s a cylon, people are giving Baltar conflicting orders about whose blood sample should be analyzed first, and on and on. It’s practically a comedy-of-errors episode that culminates in Ellen behaving like a drunken boor and sticking her foot in Lee’s crotch during dinner. That’s kind of what I meant when I said “a little fun”.
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I thought the Simon we saw in The Farm started out at least seeming a bit less pathological than a Cavill or a Leoben. I think I remember him having a little chat with a 6 in the hall that Kara overheard, and the content seemed to suggest he was having some misgivings about the way they were dealing with her. I sort of wonder, since he’s a “doctor” model, if he represents some sort of more humanistic (for lack of a better word) archetype.
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I think that would be a great idea to explore. This last couple eps his character really hasn’t done anything but say “we agree.” But the actor does a pretty good job of showing zero enthusiasm for all the decisions being made. It’s a bit like he finds the whole thing distasteful but mostly keeps his mouth shut about it.
There appeared to be only one Simon on New Caprica. I wonder why? If enough Cylons are getting injured Doc Cottle has to tend to them, why didn’t they bring in more Dr. Simons? Is his model series just not that interested in this whole human problem?
I know I’m over-thinking it again. But I’m curious why NC was still so bleak and under-supplied after four months of occupation. Why? Well, because that’s the story Ron Moore wants to tell. Fine.
But if I were the Cylons and I wanted this coexisting with humans experiment to work and I was being hindered by a small number of resistance fighters/terrorists you know what I wouldn’t do? Ration food, medicine, electricity, supplies and force people to just barely scratch out a living in tents.
Nope. The easiest way to render the resistance impotent is to load up about thirty Basestars with trees, plants, flowers, fruits, vegetables, building materials and power generators. Have my army of Centurions working night and day building comfortable homes, huge greenhouses and farms, beautiful parks for the kids to play in. Make New Caprica a nice, comfortable, warm, cozy place to live. Pretty quickly, people would just laugh at the resistance and if they blew something up the people would condemn them.
So why didn’t they? It’s as if the bulk of Cylon civilization never really supported this New Caprica experiment and deliberately gave them only minimal support.
I thought it was a great episode - few continuity holes, but meh. Do we know if the D’Anna that Sharon kneecapped last episode is the same one who was going to set off the nuke but wound up finding Hera? If so, how was she walking so well? Did she suicide to get new knees? Since she volunteered to set off the nuke after all the other Cylons left, it seems that she’s not too worried about resurrection yet.
The one thing that really bugged me was the roles of the Pegasus & Galactica. They did such a good job with the military tactics - use decoys to get the Cylons out of position, jump into the atmosphere to get your Vipers & Raptors where they need to be quickly, jump back out to go toe to toe with the Basestars so the civilians can escape - that the ending where Lee unilaterally sacrified the Pegasus to save Galactica was just stupid. Galactica was an old, retired ship converted to a museum, while Pegasus was a late model, top of the line Battlestar. It’s as if the USS Intrepid and the USS Ronald Reagan were cruising together, and you sacrificed Ronny to save the Intrepid. It would have made much more sense for the Pegasus to jump in, pick up the vipers, tell the Galactica to set a collision course for the Basestars and abandon ship.
I know the show is Battlestar Galactica, and I know Moore wanted all the Lee & Bill interaction when the Pegasus stays behind, but it seems that Lee did everything wrong. If they had stuck with a plan using both Battlestars, they could either have saved both, or at least saved the good one.
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I know the show is Battlestar Galactica, and I know Moore wanted all the Lee & Bill interaction when the Pegasus stays behind, but it seems that Lee did everything wrong. If they had stuck with a plan using both Battlestars, they could either have saved both, or at least saved the good one.
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Depressing, isn’t it? 
Moore does say on the podcast that they planned to off Pegasus from the start. Like you said, it’s the name of the show.