Battlestar Galactica 3.4 - "Exodus, Part Two" (spoilers)

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[QUOTE=silenus]
Are we ever going to see what happened to Hera’s guards?
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[QUOTE=levdrakon]
Are we going to find out why Anders shirked his duty and didn’t personally see to Hera & Maya’s safety? Or see him called to task for it?
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Que? Hera’s guards were among the bodies lying around her when Gaius picked her up from her dead foster-mother’s arms.

And Anders’ duty was to assign two of his best men to see to Hera’s safety (isn’t Maya the woman who’s Roslyn’s helper, not Hera’s foster-mother?). That’s exacly what Roslyn asked him to do, and that’s exactly what he did – with her standing right there to be introduced to the two guys, whom she thanked for taking on the task.

Anders was the one coordinating the evacuation of the entire population of New Caprica to the ships, and was leading the assault on the detention facilities. He had better things to do than shepherd Roslyn’s pet project on The Shape Of Things To Come.

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[QUOTE=minty green]
Which would be a perfectly good explanation, except for the part where the civilian ships were all jumping to FTL about 100 feet off the ground. Heck, why bother to take off at all?
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Almost every NC scene made a point of including the ever-present sounds of raider patrols zooming overhead. Raiders were constantly sweeping over the city and the ships. If any colonial ship even powered up, they could have been shot down instantly. The arrival of the Battlestars not only drew the attention of the orbiting basestars, but drew forces from the planetary patrol allowing the ships to actually take off. Also consider the Viper launch over the city was designed to free up the skies and allow the ships to lift off in addition to providing support to the forces on the ground. Jumping from 100 or so feet above the ground makes sense…why risk doing more than you have to? It’s just that getting off the ground was the greatest obstacle these ships faced.

I felt like the entire NC storyline flet a little rushed, and I blame the 3rd & 4th installments. I think I would have liked the same story to have been told over 5 episodes instead of 4. That could have allowed the pacing of the first 2 episodes to match the next ones. Other than that, I pretty much loved this episode.

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My point is that if you can just jump wherever the hell you want, why bother to take off at all. Turn that key on and just mash the “FTL” button.

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[QUOTE=minty green]
My point is that if you can just jump wherever the hell you want, why bother to take off at all. Turn that key on and just mash the “FTL” button.
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“Press”, for cryin’ out loud, “Press the FTL button”.
They mash things on Dr. Who. :slight_smile:

“I didn’t tell you to mash the FTL button, then!”
“Yes you did, you bloody well did!”
“Well, I didn’t tell you to mash it so hard, did I?”
But I digress…

One assumes you must be airborne to be away from a large mass. One arrives within a few thousand miles and use reaction engines to maneuver into the parking space.
Probably jumping within the mass of an atmosphere is like driving on ice; you can do it, but one would rather not.

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[QUOTE=Lightray]
Que? Hera’s guards were among the bodies lying around her when Gaius picked her up from her dead foster-mother’s arms.
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I know they’re dead. I want to see how it happened. Mortar, Cylon Raider, cheerleader with a gun? It was just a little too convenient that all three of the adults in the party got snuffed but the kid made it out in one piece. Color me suspicious.

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[QUOTE=John Mace]
I thought the thing with the kid was off-- she seemed way too old to fit the timeline.
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Last season had a “One Year Later” inserted on a New Caprica scene, just before the invasion, and there’d been a significantly-long occupation since. We don’t know how long it had been since the Baby Farm episode, too. No prob.

IMHO:
Great ep, but too packed and too CGI-indulgent for my taste. The end of Pegasus was contrived, but it did make a good scene.

Gaeta will be fine; he can prove even to a kangaroo court that he was the insider.

The succession isn’t a problem either. There will have to be a Quorum meeting, sure, but they can easily declare Baltar to have abdicated and hold a new election. Zarek is entirely rehabilitated too, that political-prisoner and anti-Roslin-dissident backstory is ancient and irrelevant anymore. He stays VP.

And what of Baltar now? The humans don’t want him back, the Cylons don’t need him anymore (except maybe as a stud in the PopTart Factory?). I like the idea that there are human stragglers, not necessarily yet defeated in spirit, still on NC, and maybe he can be involved with that somehow.

Starbuck’s knife-twisting just showed she hadn’t been broken completely, that the old Best Everything In The Fleet was still there underneath.

There don’t seem to be many Pegasus crewmembers still around, at least onscreen. Look for the same old Galactica crew in every significant role, just like before.

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[QUOTE=silenus]
I know they’re dead. I want to see how it happened. Mortar, Cylon Raider, cheerleader with a gun? It was just a little too convenient that all three of the adults in the party got snuffed but the kid made it out in one piece. Color me suspicious.
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I got the impression they might have died soon after starting the run. The block captain sends then off, looks away, and we hear what sounds like an artillery round landing offscreen, in the direction they were heading…

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Huh.

So, did anyone “Kacey is actually a human Leoben grabbed off the street and tossed down the stairs”? in the ‘Is Kacey a Toaster?’ pool?

You know, the most likely, simplest explanation. Those bitching about the resolution need to think about that for a bit.

levdrakon - after the ambush in the previous episode it was mentioned that Cottle was working on a Cylon - or at least extremely heavily implied. We know he’s a quintessential doctor - I think it’s safe to say he’ll work on anyone.

[QUOTE=Clark K]
The evacuation of the ships was too easy. I wish a couple of them had been taken out by raiders as they were lifting off.
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That would be a good chunk of the reason that Galactica did their highly risky dive-bombing maneuver. To take out the minimal fighter cover that was above the crappy little town.

I was so happy to see Starbuck kill Leoben one last time. Sweet of her to finally kiss him, though. I figure seven or eight deaths means your murderess is obligated to give you a little ‘lip and tongue action’.

[QUOTE=Loopydude]
And uh, 3? Why nuke the city? They’re all gone, silly Toaster. “Run, Baltar! Save humanity!” Um, dumbrak, they saved themselves like an hour ago. I dunno, maybe there was some overlapping chronology there, but why would 6 and Baltar have to worry about the nuke one way or the other, Hera or no? Everyone’s gone, for frak’s sake. Oh, well, minor nitpick.
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Yeah, because the people in charge safely away from the fighting never fuck up totally and misunderestimate the situation on the ground. Totally impossible. Besides, they insurgency would have to be pretty incredible to get 30,000 people up and moving and into their ships in the matter of an hour or so. Impossible! Only Cylons can be that efficient!

Gaeta we saw in the crowd scene in the Galactica’s hangar. He was standing next to a Raptor looking depressed.

[QUOTE=Loopydude]
I should think Gaeta could easily exonorate himself, as he knows a number of specific facts about the “code” used to signal the transfer of a message, the location of the drop-off, the timing and frequency of the leaks, and the content of the intel. leaked. If the writers ignore all of that content, which would instantly aquit Mr. Gaeta, they’ll be sloppily ignoring it to create more contrived drama. At this point I certainly could imagine them doing that, but I hope they don’t.
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Amazing how quickly people will whip out a term like “sloppily”. What if the people killing Goodlifers aren’t Tyrol, Tigh, or Anders? If it’s not one of those three, WHAT SOURCE? Who is going to believe what anything about a ‘magic super secret source’? Or are we going to hear about sloppiness because EVERYONE in the resistance knew about Super Secret Source?

[QUOTE=levdrakon]
Just how old was that kid with Starbuck? She was able to say a few words. She’d been snatched away from her mom by Leoben and the whole time she was with Starbuck she never said something like “I miss my mommy!”
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How old was Elisabeth Smart?

-Joe

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Regarding Baltar and what’s going to happen with him…

Weren’t we promised some time on a Basestar this season? I just hope Baltar is…I don’t know, something other than morose and whiney as he’s been on New Caprica the whole time.

But what’ll motivate him?

-Joe

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[QUOTE=carnivorousplant]
But…shields and sensors would be useless!
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Yes, and so would Reliant’s. Then the odds would be equal.

KHAAAAAAN!

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[QUOTE=Merijeek]

Yeah, because the people in charge safely away from the fighting never fuck up totally and misunderestimate the situation on the ground.

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Did you actually watch the show? The town was empty. They’re chasing 3 around to stop her from blowing up…who?

[QUOTE=Merijeek]
Amazing how quickly people will whip out a term like “sloppily”.
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There’s been enough sloppy already it’s entirely reasonable to anticipate more.

[QUOTE=Merijeek]

What if the people killing Goodlifers aren’t Tyrol, Tigh, or Anders? If it’s not one of those three, WHAT SOURCE?
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So you’re saying they’re not involved? Did Tyrol not make very clear that when all was said and done the Goodlifers were going to get it (“make the noose tight”)? Was Anders not quite intent himself on punishing Ellen Tigh, though it was the very eve of their rescue? Could these men not be consulted? I think it quite plausible they’d have the trust of the death squads. Were they the only three who knew about a mole? What is it with you apologists, anyway?

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[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves]
Last season had a “One Year Later” inserted on a New Caprica scene, just before the invasion, and there’d been a significantly-long occupation since. We don’t know how long it had been since the Baby Farm episode, too. No prob.
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Not quite. Caprica Sharon was already pregnant before the action on “The Farm” took place, yet Kacey looked way older than Hera aka Isis.

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[QUOTE=Lightray]
Que? Hera’s guards were among the bodies lying around her when Gaius picked her up from her dead foster-mother’s arms.

And Anders’ duty was to assign two of his best men to see to Hera’s safety (isn’t Maya the woman who’s Roslyn’s helper, not Hera’s foster-mother?). That’s exacly what Roslyn asked him to do, and that’s exactly what he did – with her standing right there to be introduced to the two guys, whom she thanked for taking on the task.

Anders was the one coordinating the evacuation of the entire population of New Caprica to the ships, and was leading the assault on the detention facilities. He had better things to do than shepherd Roslyn’s pet project on The Shape Of Things To Come.
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Ah, I saw that scene differently I guess. Roslyn made it clear Maya & Hera were the most important two people to get off the planet and when Anders was to select his best most trustworthy men I assumed it was to assist Anders in personally seeing to Maya & Hera’s safety. Not just safety, actually. It was suggested if it came down to it, kill the baby rather than let it fall into Cylon hands. Roslyn just said “don’t let it come to that.” So, I thought it was clear Anders didn’t have better things to do.

Anyway yes, Maya was the adoptive mother. She’d lost her own child at about the same time Hera was born and I believe it was to be a permanent adoption. Maya had to die of course. The actor has a regular role on Eureka. :slight_smile:

If the adults were killed but Hera wasn’t it’s easy enough for me to believe someone died shielding the child from a mortar blast with his/her body.

Here’s something I’m not clear on. Six & Baltar were following D’Anna to stop her from setting off the nuke. D stops off at the oracle’s tent along the way and while she’s rummaging around the tent says something like, “fraking liar!” What was it she thought the oracle lied about? Was the baby supposed to be in the tent?

If so than I guess the oracle wasn’t lying since as luck would have it, Hera was just outside the tent.

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[QUOTE=Loopydude]
Did you actually watch the show? The town was empty. They’re chasing 3 around to stop her from blowing up…who?

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Umm…Baltar? He may whine and bitch but he doesn’t want to die - he’s willing to do absoutely everything and anything to stay alive.

In a warzone people are often running around and sticking their heads up when enemies are walking around. Maybe it’s because all those who were that goddamned stupid are already laying in the ground with holes shot in them.

[QUOTE=Loopydude]

So you’re saying they’re not involved? Did Tyrol not make very clear that when all was said and done the Goodlifers were going to get it (“make the noose tight”)? Was Anders not quite intent himself on punishing Ellen Tigh, though it was the very eve of their rescue? Could these men not be consulted? I think it quite plausible they’d have the trust of the death squads. Were they the only three who knew about a mole? What is it with you apologists, anyway?
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Were they the only ones who knew about the mole? Umm…I don’t know, how broadly would you, as Insurgent High Commander, broadcast that you “have a source right near the top?”

I wouldn’t be surprised if Roslin knew, too, so that would bring it up to four people.

I don’t watch the previews too carefully. Tell me, is there any reason to believe that Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, or Roslin is involved in the people killing off the Goodlifers? If you were part of a group playing Vigilante Justice would you give Tigh a call and say, “He Tigh, this is Jim. We’re not about to blow Gaeta’s head off for helping Baltar or anything, but if we were going to and he were to claim to have been a high-level source passing information to the Insurgency would that be possible? Really? Well, what if he said he had delivered the list of people to be executed in Beggar’s Canyon? Oh, really? Then I guess we’ll release him. Or, well, we would if we had him. Which we don’t. Gotta go.”

So, how do you want to play it? Does everyone know that there was a source right At The Top (which would be sloppy), or was it restricted information?

Oh, and apologist? What’s the term for people bitching about something that hasn’ t aired and that they don’t actually know much about?

-Joe

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You see Gaeta and Tigh in the same kangaroo court scene in the previews for next week. Tigh looks to be in charge of the court.

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Oh, and then there’s that.

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[QUOTE=levdrakon]

Here’s something I’m not clear on. Six & Baltar were following D’Anna to stop her from setting off the nuke. D stops off at the oracle’s tent along the way and while she’s rummaging around the tent says something like, “fraking liar!” What was it she thought the oracle lied about? Was the baby supposed to be in the tent?

If so than I guess the oracle wasn’t lying since as luck would have it, Hera was just outside the tent.
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The oracle told D’Anna that she would hold Hera in her arms and know true love. When D’Anna heads back to the oracle’s tent, it looks like all the humans who could have evacuated the planet, presumably taking Hera (and D’Anna’s hopes of finding Hera) with them. So she was pissed at the oracle and thought she was lying about D’Anna finding Hera. So of course, D’Anna has to find Hera right after she’s given up hope.

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Some general info on the course of the season, from Dreamwatch magazine:

There will be an upcoming story about a dying Basestar and a plague affecting the Cylons. Episode 8 will fill in parts of the missing year on New Caprica. Episode 9 finds another clue about Earth.

It also states that Episode 9 will set the stage for the second half of the season. (Obviously).

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So, I actually googled for spoilers and WOWZA, if they prove to be true this season gets very dark very fast.

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No kidding. I think Ron Moore is using this show as a substitute for therapy. He can work out all his inner demons by having his characters deal with them. :smiley: