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I’m not sure.
What did they expect to find? A Caprica-like planet? If this is the future, of course Earth is destroyed.
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Indeed. While everyone talks about Earth alot they seldom seem to mention Earthlings. :dubious: Don’t the Colonials expect the descendants of the 13th tribe to be living there?
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun]
Nine months? Really?
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That’s what I say. I’m not sure if even this ending will hold my interest over that period of time. I may just write it off now, since there’s an ending of a sort.
[QUOTE=Lightray]
Also, anyone note: D’Anna said four of the Final Five were in the fleet. If the fifth wasn’t in the fleet, he or she must have been… on the Basestar?
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I’m guessing that the fifth was one of the fleet members who was on the Basestar at the time, so it could be Laura or Gaius or lots of other people.
[QUOTE=Agnostic Pagan]
They dont seem to be worried about the remaining Cylons - and I hope they give us at least a glimpse of the Cylon homeworld before the series wraps.
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Do they have a home world?
Was that the Brooklyn bridge.
But wow. That episode got a lot of “OH MY FRAKKIN GODS” out of me.
Cylon or not, Tigh is loyal and has big brass ones.
They’ve been running all over the damn universe, stringing along multiple jumps to get from point A to point B, and now Earth is a single jump away? :dubious:
I loved the interplay between Tigh and Adama. Hogan and Olmos acted the hell out of it. Adama’s breakdown afterwards was very emotionally real to me. I was really worried that Tigh was going to die, and I’m glad he didn’t.
Interesting to see, in that final montage of everyone on Earth, that Tory tried to approach Anders, who wasn’t interested, and the pregnant Caprica Six sought out Tigh and not the fragile body of Gaius Frakkin’ Baltar. We have to wait to see how Starbuck handles Anders as a Cylon, though she said something to Lee about their plans for the future, so maybe she’s off Anders altogether anyway.
Did anyone else think for sure Baltar was going to try to kiss Roslin when she was bandaging him and thanking her for not murdering him? That would have been hilarious. Also, Baltar saying, when Tory was revealed as one of the FF, “I knew it! OK, maybe not on a conscious level, but…” Finally, he used his mephistophelean powers of quasi-religious persuasion for some good, in delaying D’Anna from killing hostages. I actually found him compelling in that scene.
They did confirm some of the things we were arguing about in the last thread-- Tigh and Adama have known each other for 30 years, and Cylons do age. Tigh agreed with my assessment that he should have confessed to Adama on Day 1 that he was a Cylon, and regretted not doing it. I love it when they just answer our questions like that.
Are we supposed to think that the Thirteenth Tribe destroyed Earth, or is it just a fiction that the Colonials believed that humans came from Kobol and Earth was one of the Colonies?
I rewatched the end and I couldn’t make anything out as particularly Manhattan, except that it was a city on an island with a bridge. though I could be wrong. I saw stone (with metal reinforcements inside them) Colosseum-like arches, a dome, and a destroyed bridge (too wrecked to identify as any particular bridge IMO) to an island city. Are there any buildings that look like that in Brooklyn? Or was that meant to be Staten Island, which would totally explain why it’s so gross and everyone is completely depressed. Possibly also the Geiger counter. 
The preview said COMING SOON. Not soon enough!
Given the apparent age of the rubble, it looks like a nuclear exchange took place far in the past, so it’s rather improbable that the “Kill All Humans” faction of Cylons found Earth and Nuked it from orbit (the only way to be sure)
now, what are the possibilities of a “limited” nuclear exchange between superpowers (lets say the U.S. and the Russkies of old), and the more remote areas of the planet may hold survivors and perhaps even a working society…
however, a Post-Apocolyptic Earth leaves open the possibilites for Giant Mutated Cockroaches, Mutants, and Radioactive Zombies…
…Just imagine a shambling horde of reanimated Human corpses, slouching steadily towards the remainder of the fleet, moaning for BRAAIIIINNNSSS!
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now, what are the possibilities of a “limited” nuclear exchange between superpowers (lets say the U.S. and the Russkies of old), and the more remote areas of the planet may hold survivors and perhaps even a working society…
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But what good is it? The Colonials need a new home, but earth doesn’t appear any more inviting than Kobol or New Caprica, and Cavil’s going to show up.
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
Are we supposed to think that the Thirteenth Tribe destroyed Earth, or is it just a fiction that the Colonials believed that humans came from Kobol and Earth was one of the Colonies?
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They’ve said that the Final Five came from Earth. I think we’re to believe that the Cylons destroyed Earth first, then went back to do the job on the Colonies. I think the inference is that this is what would have happened to the rag-tag fleet and the rebel Cylons, too, had Lee not offered to trust.
Since the Other Six models knew nothing of the Final Five nor of Earth, presumably they were made later, or the Cylons had two efforts ongoing.
They can make hyperjumps across space, but they can’t give a dude a fake foot? (Or eyeball?)
[QUOTE=Lightray]
They’ve said that the Final Five came from Earth. I think we’re to believe that the Cylons destroyed Earth first, then went back to do the job on the Colonies. I think the inference is that this is what would have happened to the rag-tag fleet and the rebel Cylons, too, had Lee not offered to trust.
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I don’t think it’s clear who nuked Earth. No one currently on Earth seemed to know that it was destroyed before they got there, unless they’re the Final One and hiding it. Who knows what the hybrid really meant when she said that the Final Five came from Earth? Maybe they were created on Earth before it was nuked and their purprse was to help humans survive in a radiation-polluted environment. Maybe they nuked Earth themselves and erased all memories of the crime. I don’t know, but I don’t think we could know for sure from what’s been shown.
The Final Four shown didn’t consciously know anything about it either, though.
[QUOTE=OpalCat]
I’m guessing that the fifth was one of the fleet members who was on the Basestar at the time, so it could be Laura or Gaius or lots of other people.
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Or it could have been someone whose died since then…Cally or Barolay?
What a strange episode.
Well it does answer the main question I had, which was, “what time period will it be when they get there?” This is important because we don’t even know how the Colonials time jibes with ours. Well I would assume now that it is far in the future.
I didn’t recognize the skyline as New York, to be honest. I am not sure if that’s what they were going for but beyond the north side of that island there was just water, where in real life you have the Bronx and the rest of the mainland. There just isn’t that much water in real life. I suppose it could be that they were in New Jersey looking South, but still it doesn’t look familiar.
But anyway, they revealed things, without really explaining much. I kind of felt it was a cop-out that the Viper had the coordinates in it. I don’t understand how they are going to tie up all of the loose ends anymore. They’ve had so many fakes that I’m not even sure if any of them count now. We’ve had so many people have visions of how to get to Earth etc, and it happens that the information was stored in Starbuck’s magic-viper.
There simply doesn’t seem to be any kind of payoff for all of the various attempts to explain how they’d end up at earth. I simply was a bit confused when Starbuck found Leoben in her earth-finding mission. Anyway, there remains much to be explained about her visions and whatnot.
The good news is that their arrival on earth won’t mess up the show. How lame would it be if they landed in the present day?
Wow - I love how BSG makes a point of twisting and crushing the hopes of its characters, just in order to make them hurt a little more. Lee tells the Admiral, “I want you to be the first to hold a handful of Earth” - and lo and behold, he is!
Well, as Pushing Daisies Man would have said it . . .
The facts are these:
There is an Earth. Humanity has, at some point, been on it. I saw metal-reinforcement in the ruins and what I believe to be an overturned car. (When Tory approaches Anders) So I’ll posit that this is current-day or later.
Earth, or at least this part of it, has been subject to nuclear attack. There was a geiger counter there, and it lit up.
The attack happened some time ago; I’d say decades, easily. Specifically, not the three years of the BSG timeline we’ve been shown. So the Cylons did not strike at Earth at the same time they hit the 12 Colonies. (Yes, I know it wasn’t a widely held opinion, but this pretty much rules it out) (Compare the ruins of Starbuck’s return to Caprica to this)
That leaves two options; an inter-human war or another Cylon attack pre-dating the skinjobs. I do not think the destruction of Earth is simply the inevitable having happened. (Someone also posited that this may have been the Cylon homeworld and they’ve gone and nuked themselves dead. Or a world in which humans and cylons lived in peace.)
(One hopes the inevitable tandry jokes about “jumping the Ape, as it were” are not factual. If Moore has given us a four year long rerun of Planet of the Apes, there will be blood.)
Now, on to speculation.
My theory: Human survivors exist. They orchestrated the activation of the Four, Starbuck’s return and the signal drawing the Four’s attention to Starbuck’s faux Viper. The Final Fifth would be someone not in the Fleet at the time, by what we now know. (She was very specific. “Four. Four in your fleet.” And evaded Roslin’s eyebrowed follow-up.) So, the candidates are Adama, Roslin, Baltar and Helo from the prominent cast.
The Three was also specific that the fifth was not in the fleet, which could indicate a civilian if you want to get literal about it. The person would also have had to be in civvies before the Three was disabled, which excludes Lee. Besides, Lee makes no sense from a storytelling perspective; it’d be redundant to go after Adama again and Kara has already been hurt by Anders. Technically, it implicates Dr. Cottle, Tom Zarek, Romo Lampkin and some bit-part characters.
The possibility is also, of course, open that the Final Cylon remains on Earth and is a hereto undiscovered player, responsible for orchestrating the arrival of two amicable and joined factions of Humans and Cylons. This would, for me, be disappointing.
My personal feeling is that it’s Doc Cottle. They’ve played their hand with Adama, they’ve played their hand with Roslin (D’anna’s mindfuck), Baltar would be an god-awful choice, Helo is not interesting enough as a character (some say interchangeable with Anders; it’s the steely-eyed broad shouldered thing), Lampkin has a played-out backstory and Tom Zarek haven’t been involved except in the Quorum subplot.
Doc Cottle, on the other hand, has had moments with religious overtones with a dying Cylon, have patched up his fair share of Humans, gets a lot more screentime than a bit character like that is owed, has no backstory we know of, is close to the decision-makers (Adama and Roslin), has been sage and wise in almost all his decisions and fits the age frame for the Cylon injects.
So, I’m putting $10 on Doc Cottle being the cyborg with his finger on the music button. I also posit that he’s aware of it, and have been working the backstage all along.
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So, I’m putting $10 on Doc Cottle being the cyborg with his finger on the music button. I also posit that he’s aware of it, and have been working the backstage all along.
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Problem is, Doc Cottle isn’t a civilian. He’s Galatica’s Chief Medical Officer. He’s defiinitely “in the fleet.”
You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
Does anyone think that Earth had its own rag-tag fleet of scrappy survivors, who, after the devastating attack, war, etc, set off in search of the mythical 12 Colonies?
I can just picture them arriving on Caprica right now going, “Where the hell is everyone?”
Why did it take landing to know Earth was frakked (sp?)? They took pictures of Kobol from orbit.