[QUOTE=Troy McClure SF] Here’s a comparison of the modern-day Brooklyn Bridge. Count me disappointed… I thought it was required that all sci-fi earth bases were around San Francisco. Starfleet HQ, the Transamerica Pyramid on the Death Star…
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It’s definatly Brooklyn, which means BSG is set in our future. Next question, how old are those ruins? Unless they go the aliens-kidnapping-primitive-humans-from-Earth route than it must be at least 4,000 yrs into the future (based on the age of the Temple of Five) and likely more since we need to allow enough time for us to invent interstellar travel.
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
However, the story they tell is that humans originated on Kobol, and the 13th tribe left Kobol before any of the other Colonies were formed. Thus, you could say that Earth is one of the 13 Colonies, the “lost” one. It doesn’t jibe with our idea that Earth was first and should be the home world-- to them, the human home world is Kobol.
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To them. But that would be consistent with the experience of the Colonies; since they came from Kobol, that would enter their mythology as being the origin point of the human species.
“All of this has happened before.” It may be that the humans have made this trip back and forth, over and over. They seem to know that humans did not originate in the Colonies, since if they did, there would be a paleontological record that showed it. They weren’t on Kobol long enough to dig for caveman bones. So humans could have come from Kobol, or Earth. What’s for sure is that they were on Earth and it got nuked.
However, a nuked planet would regrow in time, so it’s a bit unrealistic to have no plants.
I pretty much assumed that the nuclear war that had screwed up the Earth had taken place millenia ago and may have partially prompted mankinds migration to Kobol, then the Twelve Colonies.
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Pretty much. It’s been pretty well implied since the mini series that the everything is circular. After a couple thousand years of living on Earth, the Earthlings will be chased off Earth by their creations and will head toward “the mythical twelve colonies”.
Obviously. Anyone who is trying to see things differently is just looking for nits to pick. And tiny ones at that.
Wow. BSG was… happy, for a bit. So wrong. So very, very wrong. That was creepy; I kept expecting another shoe to drop. Brr.
Also, anyone note: D’Anna said four of the Final Five were in the fleet. If the fifth wasn’t in the fleet, he or she must have been… on the Basestar?
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That’s what I thought, too. It went from 5 to 4 somehow (other than the 5th now being on the Basestar, I can’t explain)…so that means the final is one of the new people on the Basestar? Adama? Roslin? I’m confused how 5 became 4 otherwise.
[QUOTE=joemama24_98]
That’s what I thought, too. It went from 5 to 4 somehow (other than the 5th now being on the Basestar, I can’t explain)…so that means the final is one of the new people on the Basestar? Adama? Roslin? I’m confused how 5 became 4 otherwise.
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D’Anna just didn’t specify where the fifth one is. She’s not above bullshitting of course. The fifth one could be on earth, or wherever it was that has the ability to build a brand new Viper to specs. Or it could be Roslin or someone we know, but D’Anna somehow knows they don’t know. Or maybe they do know and D’Anna knows better than to tick them off.
Didn’t D’Anna say “I’m in contact with the four,” or something to that effect? I wonder if D’Anna somehow knows the four heard music and got activated so it can’t hurt interacting with them, but she better not mess with the fifth yet; he/she’s not activated yet and it would be dangerous to out them, or they’ve always been active and it would be dangerous to mess with him/her.
Clearly, the Final One is already on Earth. He’s a curmudgeonly politician from Arizona. He gets elected President of the United States and continues an ill-advised war. The war continues to escalate and eventually becomes a world-wide conflagration that leads to the unfortunate destruction of entire cities. At last, the entire human race is exterminated.
This politician, by the way, looks astonishingly like Saul Tigh.
[QUOTE=silenus]
I am so going to give Ron Moore an Atomic Wedgie at Comic-Con next month! Just on GP. Then, if 9 months from now it turns out he was just frakking with us, I’m gonna hunt him down and give him a Melvin the poets will be talking about generations from now.
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For the other uncool people on this board, a Melvin is a front wedgie. Sounds extremely painful.
[QUOTE=Cerowyn]
My takes on some of the issues brought up here:[ul][li]I didn’t get the idea that the fleet made a mega-jump to Earth. Rather, Adama decided that instead of probing carefully ahead of each jump (as was S.O.P.), they would just keep jumping straight on. The scene where he asks Roslin to give the order, was simply the last jump in the sequence.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oslo Ostragoth]
Obviously how?
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I don’t have it recorded, so: Are people wearing different clothes? Have injuries significantly healed? Does Gaeta have a new leg from Doc Cottle’s application of Miracle-Gro? If you have some proof, lay it on me.
[QUOTE=Merijeek]
Pretty much. It’s been pretty well implied since the mini series that the everything is circular. After a couple thousand years of living on Earth, the Earthlings will be chased off Earth by their creations and will head toward “the mythical twelve colonies”.
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They’d have to go to Kobol first. Then they’d have to live on Kobol for so long that no one can remember living on Earth. Then they’d have to send the 13th tribe to Earth, seemingly for the first time. THEN they’d colonize the other 12 colonies. According to their current beliefs, that’s how it happened: Kobol, then Earth, then colonies. If Earth is the real human home world in the BSG universe, that fact was forgotten.
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And your evidence for this is…
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Lee started to talk about setting up scouting patrols, and his father shut him down. In the absence of evidence that they did it in one mega-jump, I’m inclined to believe that all the Admiral meant was that they weren’t going to go deliberately and carefully; they were going to go straight from one jump to the next.
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Didn’t D’Anna say “I’m in contact with the four,” or something to that effect? I wonder if D’Anna somehow knows the four heard music and got activated so it can’t hurt interacting with them, but she better not mess with the fifth yet; he/she’s not activated yet and it would be dangerous to out them, or they’ve always been active and it would be dangerous to mess with him/her.
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I got the feeling she said that she was in contact with the four because she saw them all standing there; it was a little diversion on her part so that the humans wouldn’t realize that the four were present and accounted for in the landing bay.
[QUOTE=MacTech]
There could have also been a catastrophic climate shift, the icecaps completely melted, flooding a large amount of coastline, that would change the look of the landscape, maybe a polar inversion as well, maybe a few major earthquakes as well, just to mix things up…
It looks like the Nuking took place a while ago, as the plants on the ruins appeared dead
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Would a global nuclear war damge the ozone layer badly enough that the Earth’s surface would be virtually sterilized?
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Would a global nuclear war damge the ozone layer badly enough that the Earth’s surface would be virtually sterilized?
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Nobody said it was JUST a nuclear war. The right combination of nuclear, chemical and especially biological warfare could pretty much sterilize the planet (sure, it’ll bounce back, but it could take hundreds of thousands or even millions of years).
Anyway… what an ending. I had to see it again this morning to convince myself it wasn’t a dream, because for me, those last couple of minutes were the stuff of nightmare. *Literally * the stuff of nightmare - my bad dreams don’t often feature scary monsters, but giant, empty ruins and feelings of crushing disappointment are regular nightly visitors. I don’t know how Ron Moore & Co. managed to get inside my head but I…want…them…to…LEAVE. Please?
