It seems – based on what the Eight who helped Helo in the Hub attack said – that they have to “download” the memories. We don’t know if they can do that from a basestar, or only from a resurrection ship or only from the hub. I suspect they can’t from a basestar, but it’s all rather vague.
Of course, it is implied that the Cylon spokesmodels are able to all but instantaneously determine the concensus of opinion of their entire model line, as we’ve seen in a few Cylon votes. So no telling how wiggy this all might get.
I don’t get that implication. It’s not they they determine the consensus. It’s that they are (or were, anyway) identical and would naturally come to the same conclusion.
Part of me wonders if these two “versions” of Ellen can’t be reconciled…she is the contriving bitch we all hate, and the last episode was deliberatley misleading.
To me, it seemed like there was some odd feeling/flow to what she was telling the other 5 in terms of their history, how she was acting towards them (the face touching, etc.)
I could not help but wonder if Cavill may have implanted false memories in her in terms of her role. Saul had the snapshot vision of her back on Earth suggesting she was there, but I don’t believe Anders’ discourse or flashbacks in the last episode specifically suggested any involvement on her part in how the Final 5 got to the colonies, what they were collaborating on, etc.
We were led to believe she was the architect of it all, but perhaps she is only just a pawn.
Perhaps so, but my own view is that the opposite has been seen as well, particularly in this episode’s thread. What I see in at least some occasions is people striving to explain away the artifacts of plain-old bad story-telling by inventively inferring some subtly clever hidden motivations on the part of the characters. Motivations which are sometimes, in my eyes, much too clever by half.
Like everyone else, I like a fictional story to wrap up well without leaving too many loose ends unresolved. But some stories are simply not devised and told with enough careful planning and forethought to make that feasible. Maybe the best explanation for why something inexplicable happened in Battlestar Galactica is because the writers or producers simply screwed up. Happens to the best of 'em.
Don’t get me wrong, I love this show! But I can’t help but detect at least a whiff of the aroma of desperately striving to reconcile Stardates going on…
Amusingly, that was the exact same behavior that Angela Petrelli used over in “Heroes”, that had everyone convinced that she had mind-control powers. (ignore that no-one she did that to ever did what she wanted them to do.)
It turned out, Angela had prescient visions. Which… actually, Ellen is about the only character who hasn’t had prescient visions in BSG. So, umm, dunno.
Tyrol’s sudden desire to be off the Bucket seemed directly related to Boomer’s sudden presence on the Bucket to me. Kind of a post-heartbreak defensive reaction.
One of the questions I had though was would they attempt to free Boomer? I mean, she did bring Ellen back to them. Then getting off the ship to get away from Tyrol would be kinda a moot point. But maybe Tyrol was planning to talk them out of a rescue mission.
I also think the transferrence of copy history is available through the stream they all stick their hands in - not necessarily a rez hub. But I could be wrong (I sometimes I am!)
I kinda wish she’d just stayed on the Baseship, out of sight, out of mind. Bringing her back adds a loose end at a time when they need to be getting wrapped up.
Look for Galen and Tory to get back together, now that they know they used to be. Maybe that story requires resolving the Boomer situation, possibly with an airlock?
I agree that it does add some loose ends - but it also confirms that the final five are ressurectable (if they have a rez hub) which I thought was interesting.
I want it to come out that Tory airlocked Cally - and for Galen to kill her. Cause she’s a bitch, bitch, bitch.
Does the fleet even know that Caprica was the one who got the military codes from Baltar? Seems unlikely she (or the other Cylons) would’ve shared, and Baltar certainly would not have. Athena is about the only one who might have tattled, and after Caprica helped get Hera back, I’m not sure if she would have.
Even so, while Caprica was certainly involved in killing 15 billion humans, her part was rather small, overall. It wasn’t until the aftermath that she became an influential Cylon – she was in danger of being boxed, after the Colonies were destroyed, so she obviously did not have a strong position among the Cylons.
And Boomer is in the brig because she shot Adama, the guy with the power to put her in the brig (and the one who did put her in the brig).
She is also not part of the rebel Cylons’ faction, and so technically remains an enemy combatant. In fact, since she alone was responsible for the vote that led to the Cylon schism, the rebel Cylons probably won’t be too thrilled with her, either.
I’m not seeing it, sorry. She threw in with Cavil and could have just stayed with him. The only reason I can see for bringing her back is that Ellen had to rejoin the Five somehow.
You are forgetting that she was a major character since the miniseries, with unresolved issues with Adama and Tyrol, and Helo and Athena for that matter.
Adama still feels betrayed by her (as demonstrated when Athena showed up), and that needs to be resolved as part of the whole “humans and Cylons need to work together” theme.
Tyrol never got over their love affair (also as demonstrated when Athena showed up), and resolving that is probably going to lead to his accepting his Cylon nature.
Her presence is also going to be needed to resolve the Cylon civil war – yes, John Cavil is going to get fragged, but as her vote led to the civil war, Boomer will be involved in its resolution.
Sure, other characters had feelings and attitudes toward her, but as far as the viewers are concerned, there were no narrative lines left unresolved with her.
As for resolving the Cavil story, do we know if D’Anna killed him or not? Are he, his followers, and his fleet still a threat (and still an unresolved narrative line for the viewers), or aren’t they?
You certainly can’t expect a revote on the schism even if Boomer has changed her mind, at any rate. Or maybe you can, since that is exactly what you wouldn’t expect …
When Anders told everyone that Tyrol and Tory had been an item, everyone laughed. Except Tory. I wonder if Tory is going to engineer a Boomer airlocking.
