And yet, person after person did notice. (And not EVERYONE has to notice something for it to be effective and clever.) It’s been pointed out that there were many obviously egregious, on-purpose examples of incompetence with guns on display - you don’t think James Callis dropped that magazine by accident, do you? It was wholly, 100% deliberate.
If only the Five had voted, that is. But the skinjobs had votes too (1 per model, apparently). The Sixes and Eights voted to go.
Cavil wasn’t killed in the attack on the Resurrection Hub – he was killed by D’Anna, personally.
However, that may or may not have been the John Cavil who had Ellen prisoner – don’t know if there was enough time for that Cavil to rez between his being killed and the just-right-after kablooeying of the Hub.
Even so, it appears that the #1s set much less store on individuality than the other models, and apparently upload each other’s memories all the time – the one holding Ellen captive knew everything his model on New Caprica had known, for example, yet unlikely that those were the same model (since the New Caprica Cavil went off from New Caprica with the baseship that eventually went rebel, while Ellen was resurrecting with a (probably) different John Cavil).
Basically, if all the #1s share the same set of memories, they’re all the same Cavil.
I think the reimaged “Beings of Light” are what everyone is calling the “head angels” – possibly, whatever D’Anna contacted that is “between life and death”, too. I just can’t figure out of Baltar’s Head-Six is a re-imaged Count Iblis, or not.
Nope. The Six and the Eight specifically said it was something the Final Five had to decide by themselves.
Nope, they’re all Spartacus. 
Yes, and contrary to the beliefs of a lot of the SDMB, not everyone in the world masturbates to issues of “Guns & Ammo” and “Jane’s Fighting Ships”.
-Joe
The episode was muddled. Some good moments and a bit of humor, but it didn’t add up to a coherent whole.
I found Tyrol’s vote unbelievable. Ellen’s sudden bitchiness after her more reasonable tone in the last episode was jarring. Adama’s constant staring at the repairs was tedious. I’m willing to be patient and see why he agreed to give guns to the Baltar cult, but I’m very dubious.
I was disappointed that Tigh and Caprica’s pregnancy ended so anti-climactically. What’s more, the implication that the pregnancy was affected by Tigh’s changing emotions rang hollow. I don’t have any problem with the Cylon belief that pregnancy isn’t possible without love, but they seemed to suggest that any wavering in that love is fatal. Bah.
Still, Tigh is excellent, a pleasure to watch. And the various Sixes are a tribute to Helfer’s acting.
Can someone explain the discrepancy in Cylon numbering? I’m not clear what the problem was that required introducing the dead Daniel to the picture.
Before the Daniel revelation, there wree 7 known skinjobs: Numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8.
Agreed on both points. Ellen, in particular, just pissed me off. Not the character so much as the actress playing her. Come on, a decent actress has to make me believe that the character shifts are possible, even likely, not make me wonder if we’re smack in *Sybil territory here. Jane Espenson, bless her heart, was clearly writing Old Ellen, which was fine and all, except I still had the taste of Saint Ellen in my mouth. Shoulda found some way to make her the SAME Ellen, not Jekyll and Hyde it, thank you. If Charisma Carpenter can manage it, this chick should be able to. She’s perfectly good in both her roles, they just need to be made one role.
And Tyrol jumping ship? Never. Ain’t gonna happen. Jane, you should have had him hit over the head or drink Stupid Juice to make that one believable.
*How can we tell this is an Espenson ep, boys and girls? Because there’s food in it, of course!
There was no number 7. We had a 6 and an 8, and we were originally told that there were 12 Cylon models. Apparently the final five do not have numbers.
Now I’m wondering, if sexual reproduction was a goal, why there are more males than females…
Not even the skinjobs are known to have wondered why there was a gap in the sequence - they were astonished to find there had ever been an 8th model.
It all stems from Moore and Eick calling Boomer a “Number Eight” early on, before they had planned for the existence of unrevealed models. The Daniel story is likely no more than a coverup.
Remember The Farm? The Cylons were either harvesting human eggs to combine with Cylon sperm and either use the comatose women or female Cylons as surrogates. Didn’t work. RDM also said that presumably there were similiar facilities where semen was being forcibly harvested from male prisoners :eek:. So apparently artifical reproduction doesn’t work the Cylons. The Cylons also probally tried forcing natural reproduction (ie male Cylons repeatedly raping female prisoners to try and get them pregnant) and that failed two.
I always felt that she was being self centered and manipulative. I was just rooting for her instead of Cavil and Tighe instead of her.
How about Cavill knows where they are and he just doesn’t want to get into a shooting war in which he might actually die? Silly, I know.
-Joe
Only a handful of episodes left, and they waste an hour on this drivel? Ok, Ellens’ jealous of Caprica Six’s pregnancy. We Get It. Adama is striken and unsure about using Cylon tech to repair his ship, and drinking way too much. We Get It. Baltar is half-conniving, half-sincere about his cult. We Get It. It could have been told in half the time.
About the only thing I can see that this episode accomplished is that we’re back to Hera being the Hope of the Future.
P.S. Maybe Adama doesn’t trust his own Marines enough anymore to maintain order.
There are 12 models -
still works -
8 SkinJobs
1 Hybrid
1 Base Star
1 Centurian
1 Raider
ETA - part of the point of arming the civilians/Baltar was brought out when Baltar was promising food - early in the episode, they showed, quite clearly, that the armed marines were incapable of keeping order, and that the people were feeling “repressed” - when Baltar brought them food, things went pretty darn smooth, up until the bullies showed up. Now that the bullies are outmatched by other civies, they may think twice.
Hopefully they’ll have a brief flashback showing Boomer & Ellen spending some time finding earth & the fleet. I’ll be disappointed that an un-upgraded Raptor could make it in one jump, even if they did know where they were going.
Where’s Helo & Athena? They really should have been involved in the “leave the fleet” discussion.
I can kind of understand Ellen reverting to bitch-mode. She’s got her original memories back, but that means she’s got two entire lifetimes sloshing around in her head, and her most recent memories are of slutty drunk manipulator Ellen.
Baby had to die. Tigh himself said humans & Cylons have to be together because they’re too weak separately, and they’ll be stuck in the “all this will happen again” loop. The baby-needs-love thing is a bit silly, but it’s there, and has been since season one. I’d have preferred someone sabotage the pregnancy, but that might have been too much for the show.
Someone upthread wondered why they aren’t growing food in every available space, but they did show us the Botanical Cruiser again, and it looks pretty full of greenery. It’s strange they still have food shortages. Maybe it’s more of a distribution problem? Speaking of food…
What’s up with those “Sons of Whoever?” There’s an armed gang operating on Galactica? Hard to imagine Adama & Tigh letting that go. Elsewhere in the fleet sure, but on Galactica? All those Marines standing around have something better to do than police Galactica? The solution is to arm everyone? That always works well on this show.
How do the Cylons think with only twelve models they’re going to go off and rebuild a new culture? They’re already having reproductive problems, surely they don’t think what kids they could produce would provide sufficient genetic diversity.
I know we’ve all tried to forget that episode, but isn’t that the black market group from the episode of the same name? In that case, they haven’t gotten rid of them because they can’t. Notice that those guys weren’t trying to grab food from the distribution centers run by the marines.
-Joe
It occurs to me that Sam is probably going to come back from his no-brain-activity coma, having encountered whatever it is that D’Anna was contacting in between life and death.
Sam’s EEG already jumped back into life, late in the episode - and without a snotwash.
Could be. D’Anna was mostly looking for the FF, but it seems like she was tapping into whatever makes the Hybrids speak gibberish. Ellen denied knowledge of the in between place. Somebody out there apparently can send visions to both humans and Cylons, maybe using an even more advanced version of rez-tech. Humans need to be doped up on kamala root.