I had another take on the baby moment. The Cylon is looking at it and says something like “What a fragile neck, how does it support all that weight…” before she snaps it. I thought she was doing some kind of stress test. (“Sexy Cylon 6 to Command. Human baby necks take up to 10 pounds of pressure before the vetrebrae fail. File this for future reference.”)
I had no clue up to the end that:
Newsman/tour leader guy actually was a Cylon. I thought that Gaius was sending this poor shmoe to the slammer to show the XO that he (Gaius) was a big Cylon expert and to keep the heat off himself. “Cylon spy? Yup, that’s him. I did some tests that I invented just now and he’s the only positive. Yup. No, not me. Never.”
Nah, just the Starbuck character. In RF, chicks dig me.
Seriously, I had no problem with Starbuck up until the final scene with Tigh and the following scene where she was all smug and full of herself.
That’s a good point. But why would a machine brain be interested in an act of kindness/mercy, unless a little too much humanity got into her programming?
Well, she displayed passion during sex ,displayed mercy/pity/love when she saved the doctor from the blast wave and jealousy when she found him in bed with another woman(the jealousy might have been anger or nothing at all, just seemed that way). So emotions are not out of the question. A satisfying break from the Terminator “I am a machine and have a mission to perform” type of unit.
I expect the Boomer story line to develop along the lines of who is her loyalty with, the Cylons or the Humans. That is assuming that there is a series of course. I was left wondering if the Docter did really develop a test or was it by chance that he chose the person he did and was right. If he developed a test and is to test each crewmember, he is going to find out Boomer real fast.
I found the Starbuck character interesting and her telling off the XO a good break from the “you now respect me and I respect you” storyline. She thinks he is weak and not afraid to tell him.
Sorry, no spoiler boxes, too annoying
Yeah, I think you have the right idea. 3 pages into this, if passerby haven’t figured out that we are only here to spoil it, then they deserve it.
Has anyone else read Philip K. Dick’s short story Second Variety? The whole “12 models of cylons” thing seems to be a concept ripped straight from the story. Not a bad thing, either. It’s interesting.
What sort of story lines did the series use?
You can’t do a Star Trek / Firefly interact with others thing because they are the only humans. You can’t do a Lost In Space/Voyager schtick because having the Cylons show up every episode would be stupid.
Boomer-Human or Cyclon ? would quickly turn into soap opera as Balthar (sp) would quickly become Mr. Smith from Lost In Space.
The original series did have the Cylons showing up in nearly every episode. Here is an episode guide which pretty much sums up the series. There were no undercover Cylons on the Galactica; Baltar was on one of the Cylon Base Stars as advisor to the Cylons.
The entire original series was recently released as a 6-DVD set in a Cylon head package, BTW.
It was a surprise to find that the model and set of the Valley Forge from “Silent Running” is still around after 32 years. Nice tribute, too, to the LBJ ad of the girl and the flower in the nuclear fireball.
A few dumb Battlestar questions, even though I’ve seen (but probabl forgotten many elements of) the original series.
Why did humanity leave Kobol? Are there any humans still there?
Are the 12 Colonies different planets around different solar systems, or different planets in the same system? Are they different stetes on one large planet?
Did any timeline ever consider evidence of human evolution on Earth, challenging the BG universe’s “humans came from Kobol” premise?
What happened to the humans left in the Colonies? Enslaved? Killed?
Why did the Cylons want to wipe out humanity, anyhow? If they hated humans for creating and enslaving them, why not just go someplace far, far away and stay there?
Was the PR guy a “sleeper” who finally became aware of his Cylon-ness after encountering the other Cylons, or was he a Cylon all along who tried to do a very convinving job of proclaiming his innocence?
I can’t answer any questions, because I only saw a few episodes of the original and was astounded by how crappy it was, but I saw three of the four hours of the new one last night was was really, really impressed.
As satisfying as the scene is to anyone who has ever had to sit in a theater or on an airplane or restaurant next to someones screaming kid, I doubt it was supposed to demonstrate anything to us other than how sadistic Cylons are and how much they hate humans. Still, Hot Cylon seems to be a pretty complex character - well beyond the “GET OUT/I’LL BE BACK/FACH YOU AHSHOLE” canned responses one sees in the typical Terminator robot. (of course the Cylon on the station did say they feel more than Adama can comprehend).
I enjoyed the “Hans Gruber/Bill Clay” scene with Adama and the Cylon in the access tunnels of the station.
Another thing I liked was how you didn’t get a sense that the Galactica was this invincible ship. The final scene where hundreds of missles and ships were closing in on the Galactica was particularly well done. In the original series, who cared how many ships the Galactica went against? It ALWAYS won. Wooooo!! Six base stars. Now I guess it will take 6 times as long to shoot them all. The Cyclons might as well have painted their disk-fighters to look like giant bullseyes.
Question: Why limit to twelve models of Cylons? It seems to me that it wouldn’t be that hard to vary the mold a little. At least they could get diferent haircuts and clothes.
Random thought: That would be pretty cool to go from being marooned on some space station to finding out that you are actually on the winning team.
It’s odd for a race of robots to evolve into humans period.
Re: Music - I have to disagree with Declan. I found the minimalist musical score helped set the the mood of the battle much better than any rousing Hans Zimmer or John Williams score.
LurkMeister - The original series isn’t too bad if you only watch (Friend’s style titles for humor) The One With The Destruction of the Colonies, The One Where the Ship Catches Fire, The One With The Guns of Navarone, The One With Lloyd Bridges and The One Where They Attack the Cylon Colony.
GMRyujin - I think I would have preferred a longer miniseries like V / V: The Final Battle instead of a full-blown TV series. It would only be a matter of time until they run out of Cylon storylines and fall into the Farscape / Voyager trap of episodes like The One Where Everyone Switches Bodies, The One Where Starbuck Comes to Terms With Her Sexuality, The One Where The Crew Adopts A Cylon.
Originally posted by The Long Road
Did not like the next generation of cylon warrior , those things looked evil , which may have been the point, but its kind of odd for a computer based cyborg race , to adopt a human type meme on storm troopers, who knows {shrug}
When int the F did I say that? Could you please not attribute quotes to me which are not mine? Thanks.
I don’t know if you are asking about the new show or the old series. With regards to the old series, the Humans did not create the Cylons. In the original series, the Cylons were a race of reptiles who transferred themselves into machines. I don’t remember why exactly they hated humanity so much. The reasoning might not have even been given. During the episode where this is explained, it seems more thrown in to sound good than having anything to do with the series.
I absolutely agree. The understated drum beat score was original and still good at building tension. I think we’ve all seen enough battle scenes with overpowering musical scores-- why do that again??
Okay, here we go. OS = old series, MS = mini-series
To my knowledge, this info wasn’t provided in either OS or MS.
They are 12 planets in the same system in the OS, IIRC. I think this was carried over into the MS, but I didn’t catch anything that would address this point in particular. Yes, let’s not mind the physical difficulty in having this be the case.
People from the different colonial worlds are supposed to be distinguishable by language, character, etc., which in the OS was loosely tied to supposed characteristics of different signs of the Zodiac (Caprica = Capricorn, Gemenon = Gemini, etc.).
Nope!
This was never directly addressed, but given the statements in both the OS and MS I think it’s safe to assume the Cylons meant to destroy all humans.
In the MS… pure revenge?
In the OS, it’s important to remember that the Cylons were NOT the creation of humans at all, but rather a dying race of Reptilian creatures (anyone remember the Imperious Leader)? Humans ran afoul of the Cylons when they came to the defense of some other race the Cylons were trying to subjugate.
I think he was like Cylon superbabe - aware of who he was all the time.
Have we figured out yet who left Adama the memo about there only being 12 cylon models? We’ve got Boomer, Hot Babe, the stowaway guy and the PR guy. If we count the old toaster style and the new upgraded toasters, that’s six. Do the cylon attack ships count as a model? Then we have seven. I wonder if the little kid hanging out with Boomer could be one?
If these new Cylons are sooo human, right down to their blood, internal organs, emotions etc, what’s the big diff? It’s like Canadians. Sure they look like us, talk like us, think like us and sometimes we fall in love with them and have sex with them but, nooo! They’re Canadians and we must develop a super advanced method of detecting them and wipe them out! I had the same problem with Replicants, too.
Anyway, why does Number Six apparently have a thing for Baltar and why is she helping him? On the one hand, she steals his codes so the Cylons can swoop down and wipe out humanity, but then she saves him from an explosion, helps him escape and then alerts him to the fact that there is Cylon tech onboard the Galactica and there might be Cylon spies & sleeper agents?
Ok, i liked it, despite it’s flaws. So no naked tape burning here. I did like there wasn’t some “Battlestar Galactica defeats the odds and takes down the entire Cylon fleet themselves” thing going on, and it got better when they gave up and ran. Plus the Earth thing was a nice touch, i though i read somewhere that Earth was destroyed, so i was worried that they wouldn’t include anything like that (they must have meant Kobol was destroyed). I would have made the sleeper agent that little kid, since that would be cool and i have seen Screamers too many times. Boomer just doesn’t make sense, her backstory is she grew up on the Galactica, you would think that the fleet would notice 15 different asian women with the same DNA suddenly joining at the same time. Good thing none were ever stationed together. Since all these Sexbots are running around banging dudes left and right, how come no one has ever noticed glowing red spines?
I remember in the OS (the pilot?) that the humans left Kobol because solar activity was making the home world uninhabitable in the long term. In the OS pilot Adama returns to Kobol to find clues on the location of earth.
As far as the colonies go, it was my impression that each colony was a different planet, but do not know if they were all in the same solar system, or different. The impression was that they were close enough for trade, etc. to be a regular occurence.
I think the 4 colonies mentioned in the initial attack were probably within the same solar system. The rest of the colonies can be assumed to be in neighboring star systems.
Fairly decent remake. The big battle scenes were well done.
One question about the BG Universe, though. If FTL travel is so common that half of the commercial carriers have it, then how come they only have 13 colonies? What’s this Red Zone thing?
Granted, starting up new colonies is expensive and maybe they weren’t motivated, but you’d think that they’d have charted a huge amount of space.
