Beginning bass.

After wanting to take up the bass for quite some time, I’ve now finally gotten around to checking it out more and pricing some gear. I don’t know enough about basses and guitars to know what I’m doing looking for a used one at the pawn shop. If I go with a new instrument, does anyone have any suggestions for brand/model for a beginner? I was checking out Fender Squier or Ibanez; both offer packages including a bass, a 15-watt practice amp, and that sort of thing for $300-350. Should I try to catch a ride into town and find a pawn shop or something, or just order one of those online? If I do buy used, what should I look for in a good bass and amp?
Also, what’s the difference in playability and sound of various gauges and types of strings?
I appreciate your time and assistance.

-Neil

Hey Neil.

I admit, I always liked thicker strings when playing bass. I thought they gave me a ‘stronger’ feel. I can’t define it but it satisfied me. They are much rougher on your fingers at first, though. Be warned.

And I’d hit a pawn shop for your first practice bass. You’ll get a better deal and aren’t heavily committed in case it turns out you don’t enjoy it. Hey, it happens. Better to play it safe.

As for what to look for? Make sure the neck doesn’t have any warping, that’ll screw you up for sure. Check the machine heads to make sure they can grip the strings tightly…no sliding or pulling. Make sure the pick up work. Heck, any pawn shop will let you plug in and screw around for a bit. Make sure there’s no odd buzzing or hissing…that should check the pick ups. Don’t worry about the strings as you’ll want to replace those straight away.

As for brand names…it shouldn’t matter. Given my druthers I’d play Rickenbachers 7 days a week because I think they have the best sound. But as a learning instrument I’d avoid the brand names. Time enough to get that when you’ve got your chops down.

All that said…bass is one helluva lot of fun to play. Simple to learn…every band needs one…and a great sound. If you every have a good drummer to groove with it’s the next best thing to heaven.

Any recommendations on stand-up bass?
And books/videos for learning to play?
I just love the sound and image of the big standup in the rockabilly combo.

Jonathan is right, you can get some good deals in pawn shops, but I would add that you can also get some garbage there, and it’s easy to do if you don’t really know that much about what you’re buying. Personally, I would go for an inexpensive new bass. There are quite a few. Of course, they can be garbage too, but at least it’s not someone else’s old garbage.

One thing I encourage is to try a fretless before you buy. Yes, it’s a little trickier to play in tune, but the sound is so cool. My first bass was a fretted acoustic, but as soon as I tried a fretless, I went home and defretted the thing. Since then I’ve bought two more basses, both fretless, one electric and one acoustic/electric. They aren’t for everyone, I know, but if you love it, you really love it. Nothing wrong with fretted basses, but I’ll admit that I’m kind of a fretless snob these days.

And if you do go with a fretless, definitely flatwound strings. I like nylon flatwounds. I’ve even used them on a fretted bass, but it’s a little unorthodox. They have a darker, bassier sound, and they feel like butter. My favorites are Rotosound Rs88. A little pricey, but they play great, and are a lot easier on the fingers than bronze roundwounds.

I haven’t played it, but Rogue makes a fretless electric that can be bought through the Musician’s Friend website for about $120. If you could find one in a store to try out, that might be a good deal. Good luck!

Neil,

Do you have any friends who play? I’m assuming not, since you posted it here, but you never know. I lend my stuff out all the time, so if you have a multi-instrumental friend, it can’t hurt to ask.

I agree about the brand names; but it would be a plus if you could try the bass before you buy it. Just don’t get too hung up on it; after a few years, you will have a much better perspective of what does and doesn’t work for you.

One important thing: more expensive does not equal better. I bought a Fender Jazz bass, played it for years. I found an old Rickenbacker and it plays much easier for me.

If you get a fretless, get one with strips showing where the frets should be (a friend of mine has one, which he jokingly calls “my first fretless”).

Do you have a local music store? Get to know them by their first name, and take anything you’re considering in there for a once-over. Pay them for it. There’s nothing better than establishing a relationship at a music store; it will come in handy.

Good luck!

I just bought my first bass in March of this year. I’d played guitar off and on for nearly twenty years – more off than on, and I didn’t touch it for nearly six years at one point. When I played with friends occasionally in college, I usually ended up on bass, as I was always the worst guitar player of the bunch. I started playing again last fall and decided that I missed playing bass, so I bought one.

One of the first things to figure out in shopping for basses is whether you’re going to go short-scale or full-scale. Your standard Rickenbacker/Fender Precision/Fender Jazz bass is a full-scale bass. Short-scale basses, as the name implies, have a shorter neck, with a shorter distance between the nut and the bridge and consequently more closely spaced frets. Probably the best-known short-scale basses are the Fender Mustang/Musicmaster and the Danelectro Longhorn. Full-scale basses have a fuller, bassier tone, while short-scale basses can be punchier. Short-scale basses are often preferred by guitar players moonlighting as bassists since the fret spacing is closer to what they’re used to on guitar, and they’re also good for people with very small hands.

I really expected to be more comfortable with a short-scale bass, particularly since that’s what I’d used most often in the past. The old Fenders have risen astronomically in price, however, and I wasn’t thrilled with any of the other alternatives I tried. Then I saw a Danelectro Rumor bass in a local music store. The Mosrite-ish body shape, long scale, and built-in chorus had all put me off of them before, but I decided to pick it up and try it. Love at first pluck. Before I started playing it i was worried about the extremely light weight of the thing, and the neck, which is extremely thin for a full-scale bass. Even before I plugged it in, however, I could tell it had tone to spare. I bought one a few days later, and couldn’t be happier especially given that it only set me back $159. I’m not sure I’d want to gig with it, since it is lightweight and might not survive the rigors of the road, but it seems very well made for the price, and I like the sound of it as well or better than the Mexican-made Fender Standard P- and J-basses that’re a couple hundred more. The built-in chorus is neither here nor there for me, but it might appeal to some. I could do without the sparkle finish, but it has a certain cheesy charm. I heartily recommend the Rumor to anyone just starting out – especially since it’s such an inexpensive option. If you hate it, or give up bass, you aren’t out much (particularly since you can probably sell it for at least 2/3 of what you paid).

As for amps, if you pick up a really cheap bass or are willing to bust your budget a little bit, you could do much, much worse than the newer Fender Bassman 25. The problem with the little 15-watt jobs in the value packages that Fender and Ibanez and Hartke and others sell is that they tend to have small, wimpy drivers: 6.5" or at most 8" drivers that don’t give you anything like an honest bass tone – might as well just put thick flatwounds on your guitar and pluck. The Bassman 25 has great tone, enough volume to drive your family out of the room, and several features that make it a great practice amp for someone just starting out: auxiliary line inputs to connect a CD or tape player to it for playing along, a headphone jack for late-night practicing, a mute switch that leaves the signal to the tuner-out jack unaffected, effects loop, 3-band eq with an “enhance” button, etc. The wedge-shaped cabinet is extremely cool as well when you have to sit right on top of the amp when you’re playing – you can tilt it back so that the driver is angled up toward your ears instead of down at your ankles. And it’s a 10" driver in a ported enclosure, which gives a much fuller, bassier sound than the smaller practice amps. It’s also built like a tank. The only downside is the cost. I paid $269 for mine, after much searching for the best deal. I didn’t mind the splurge, since I also use it as a guitar amp, and since the Bassman 25 was the only small practice amp that received almost uniformly positive, even rave, reviews from both print and online sources – all of the other, less expensive, options had a significant number of detractors.

I don’t know a whole lot about basses, as I only play it a bit, but I’ve been playing guitar for a while…

But my favorite bass that I’e played is my buddy’s Cort.
Compared to a brand name instrument of comparable price, I think a cort would be a bit better, since they don’t put any money into advertizing, so more of it goes into the instrument itself (or that’s what I’ve heard, at least.)

If you can find a Cort, try it out.

Glenoled

Thanks for the info so far. Anyone else wants to chime in, please do.

I’m going to try to make a visit to the pawn shops around here. I’ll either find a bass there or, failing that, go with any one of several inexpensive beginner models. I’m in college now, and being a freshman, I don’t have a car, so I need to convince my friend with a car that we should go into town. That’s what friends are for, right?

Since I’m in a dorm, the size of my gear is a bit of a concern, but since I’m not really that cramped yet, it shouldn’t be a problem. I figure whatever amp I buy, I’ll probably be spending a healthy amount of time using the headphone jack. The Fender Bassman 25 looks attractive, especially with the line inputs- I can play along to my CDs. Whether or not I can swing that one is dependent on how much the bass itself ends up costing. Most of the other amps I checked out (I’ve only really looked through musiciansfriend.com so far) didn’t have the line inputs. I did notice that Rogue makes a 30W amp (CG-30B) currently being sold on musiciansfriend.com for $80, and a 50W amp (CG-30B) for $120. Any of y’all try them (or any amp made by Rogue)?

Well, thanks again for the words of wisdom I’ve recieved and those to come. This is something I’ve wanted to do for a while, and I’m excited to begin.

-Neil

Oh, and anyone know of any more bass-specific message boards? I ran across a couple, but they didn’t seem to be very helpful, or even coherent. Or maybe I’m just spoiled from reading this board.

-Neil

I’ve found some of the content at Active Bass to be fairly useful, but I haven’t paid much attention to the message boards themselves. There’s also a lot of useless crap there, but you’ll figure out which is which pretty quickly.

I strongly advise taking along a more experienced bass player (or, at a pinch someone who plays electric guitar). They’ll be able to some spot minor electrical/mechanical problems that would render a bass worthless. Also, for your first one go cheap, and also for the amp (but AT LEAST a 10" speaker). Put the money you save to one side towards your next purchase when hopefully:

a) You’ll know whether you really want to play bass.
b) You’ll have a better idea from what you like/ dislike about your present rig what you’re looking for in terms of instrument and sound.

Amen, Neil. I read a few bass message boards from time to time, but it’s depressing. There are a few intelligent and articulate posters, but don’t expect anything like what you find here. Mostly stuff like “Yeah man, Metallica RULEZ!” followed by “No way dude, Metallica SUX!” You’ve probably found the same ones I have, but here are some that I look at sometimes:

http://www.activebass.com/ (as rackensack said)
http://www.talkbass.com/
http://bass101.com/

Also, though mostly brand-specific, you can sometimes get some good info from the bass section of the message board run by Carvin:

I suppose other makers have boards as well. Have fun!