"Beloved" characters you can't stand

To go with the Star Wars theme of the OP, Luke Skywalker. What a whiny little bitch.

I don’t know anybody who even likes Raymond, let alone loves him.

Clearly you’ve never seen the cartoons where Mickey tried to commit suicide , then? :slight_smile:

Yes, I’m serious. But that was a long time ago. He’s been through counseling since then. He no longer suffers from (as Lileks put it) “doubleplus unmousethink.”

I’ve never liked Mickey, either. But then, I don’t much care for any of the Disney characters, except for Chip from Chip ‘n’ Dale.

FWIW, Andy Griffifth has been in TV ads endorsing Democratic political candidates in North Carolina. So somehow I don’t think his character would go for that sort of thing.

The Andy Griffifth Show is actually one of my favorite sitcoms - and I’m 25 years old. You can criticize it for having broad-stroke and moronic characters, but that’s true of pretty much every sitcom ever put on the air. What makes the difference for me is that the humor in TAGS in general isn’t malicious or the characters negative; this is why I don’t really like shows like Seinfeld and Friends, where it seems as if every character is a moron in some way AND mean and shallow at the same time. Sitcoms today base so much of their humor on insults and misfortune that it becomes (for me, at least) tiresome after a while. And while, yes, a great deal of the situations in Mayberry involve rather simplistic and silly situations, this was just how sitcoms were back in the black & white era - I Love Lucy and The Honeymooners weren’t any different in this respect.

As someone mentioned above, “anime” is not a genre. Animation has a vastly different role in Japan than it does in the U.S., in that ANY story is fare game for being animated, and will still be considered a legitimate work. While Japan has turned out a large amount of crappy animation, some of it is truly wonderful. Studio Ghibli, in particular, is one outfit that is typically very careful not to produce anything cheaply or shoddily done - while individual opinion varies on each of their films, they are very highly regarded among both animation and general film fans. Isao Takahata’s Grave of the Fireflies, a WWII drama, is every bit as moving as the highly-acclaimed Letters from Iwo Jima - the only difference is the medium. Many of Hayao Miyazaki’s works are lauded for both artistic design AND storytelling; the main things that people tend to hate about anime - seizure-inducing cheap quick cut animation, slutty airheaded females, one-note spiky haired heroes - are not to be found in his films. Spirited Away winning the 2003 Best Animated Feature Oscar was not a fluke - it’s a highly nuanced, beautiful film.

While I’m not a snob about Japanese animation (I will acknowledge that some of it is quite bad and/or exploitative), I do think it’s a bit unfair to criticize ALL of it, since, apart from the medium, the individual works are quite different in terms of subject matter, audience, and purpose. It’s akin to saying something such as, “I hate all British film”, or, “I hate everything from Universal”. Aside from the animation aspect, there’s seldom much other grounds for generalization.

Thanks. You saved me the trouble of typing all that myself. I remember telling someone once: “You think Scarlett was a bitch in the movie? You just ought to read the book!”

Pretty decent explanation, actually. I’ll buy it.

You could not be more misinformed/ignorant/deluded, dear, unless you are, in fact, Jimmy Carter. Put away your little politics stick before you poke yourself in the eye. :smiley:

I defy anyone to watch Grave of the Fireflies without shedding a tear. It can’t be done.

Otto, let me ask you, what anime titles have you actually seen?

Don’t call me “dear”, it’s condescending. I didn’t insult you, so please don’t insult me.

I’m sure that not all anime falls into these generalizations, but a lot of it does and I find it distracting and annoying… things like huge mouths with no lips, gigantic eyes, tiny noses, etc. Just stylistically I find it ugly and hard to watch.

There are plenty of members who are fans of anime. I don’t consider myself one of them, but I have watched, and enjoyed, a couple epidoes of Dragonball Z.

It’s great for their action sequences.

I can’t stand Goku.

ETA: I simulposted w. Opal… and PS, I think :rolleyes: was just laying on the sarcasm thick

Princess Buttercup. Okay, it’s a bit harsh to say that I can’t stand her, but… egads, grow a spine, woman!

Jeeves. He’s an evil mastermind, manipulating everyone around him for the benefit of his own ego, and his interpretation of social imperatives. And, for that matter, his actions have the effect of keeping Bertie in a perpetual state of arrested development, because he keeps shielding Bertie from the consequences of his own poor decisions, and foisting other choices upon Bertie, using what is effectively a Magician’s Choice, that always, always, always degrade Bertie’s reputation with the world at large.

Otto, I use the word anime instead of Japanimation because there are a great number of Japanese Americans who find the word Jap offensive and racist - not in any kind of effort to ‘gentrify’ the art form. Like any other art form, I will grant, right off the top, that 90% of it is shit. But I like it for the willingness to use animation to tell stories that, until the advent of CGI, couldn’t be told any other way. If you were to tell me what sorts of fiction (preferably movies) you like, I suspect I could give you at least one anime title that you would like.

I kinda wanted to see a bloated, ennui-ridden coyote who discovers the perfect method of killing roadrunners and finds himself gorged yet unsatisfied with the loss of his life’s purpose. Rather like Oscar Wilde’s comment on tragedy.
And I call it Japanimation and always will, and it stylistically sucks.

Heh, that seems a little extreme. It’s not Jap Animation it’s Japan-imation. Sure calling them Japanese is insulting as they are Nipponese, but other than that I wouldn’t worry too much about it. :wink: Anime is most interesting to me to look into the psyche of a culture indelibly scarred by Atomics, who have wholly embraced technology in a way no other culture has.

I’m not sure where the words officially merge - I’ve seen it Japan-imation, Jap-animation, and Japanimation in print, interchagebly. I have no doubt that most people using the term mean it only as a descriptor, not any kind of racial slur. But, I feel the same way about the word “gyp.” I find it seems more in line with the image I’d prefer to present of myself to avoid the use of the word, just as I avoid using the word “gyp.” If I can be certain that it’s going to bother people just by hearing it, and I have another perfectly good, and inoffensive, word available, I’ll change my usage, instead.

I just wanted to mention that your OP made me laugh; whenever I talk to someone about Final Fantasy VII, the confusing plot is often a subject. To make my point of how important the “hidden scenes” are to a good understanding of the story (and thus why I don’t understand that they are hidden scenes in the first place) I often invoke the original Star Wars trilogy sans Yoda scenes to portray how essential they are.

Just thought that was kind of funny. Sorry I don’t really have much to add to the OP, but I guess I could add an additional voice to Wolverine, and back the reason that it’s because he’s so over-hyped despite being consistenly under-used or mischaracterized.

Heresy…blasphemy…it’s a fine line. :wink:

I actually thought she had some pretty great moments, such as daring to defy the Dread Pirate Roberts, a notorious murderer, and calling out Prince Humperdinck for the spineless coward that he was in one of the best speeches of the movie. She could have come up with a better way to resolve her problems than suicide, though, but that whole bit seemed like a minor spoof on the Romeo and Juliet “my love is dead, I cannot go on” cliche.

The princesses I wish would grow vertebrae mostly come from the pre-Beauty and the Beast Disney films. Talk about spineless. Cinderella should have said, “screw you bitches, I’m outta here” no more than two minutes into the movie.

Erm… please tell me you know those stories weren’t made by Disney. You do realize they’re adaptations of historic folk tales, right?

Hey, Opal…you didn’t hear about the first Repub debate at the Ronald Reagan Monument? This Onion piece is only a slight exaggeration.