I am not sure what you were trying to do, here, but it was certainly not a statement by Kobal2 whose post you had quoted to this point.
Changing another poster’s quote or making one up to attribute to another poster is a violation of the rules.
Knock it off.
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Hell, that goes for everyone. Calm down or…well…you won’t like it.
maybe you should read through the whole thread before posting again.
Yes, really. And so your refrain of “they’d have awesome satellite imagery available, just look what you can get on Google Maps” doesn’t amount to much.
You should read the reasoned criticism of your thesis before posting again.
I’m just still flabbergasted that you seem to think that four green berets posted to the Embassy in Tripoli would have at their easy access a huge amount of equipment, presumably including parachutes, air-droppable vehicles, military transport, close air support, commo gear including stuff that could receive classified intelligence while on board a flight to Benghazi, and probably a bunch of other stuff I’m forgetting. They were coming from an Embassy, not Fort Bragg. And, you compare putting a rescue mission with all this stuff to getting a single commercially chartered aircraft in the air quickly. Your whole idea here is so devoid of… Well, everything, that it is going on the short list of the most bizarre claims I’ve ever seen on this board. (There’s only one that comes to mind that is more bizarre, but I think mods prohibit mentioning it outside of the Pit.)
And for at least the fourth time, the commander of that detachment said it was a good thing they didn’t go to Benghazi. They apparently succeeded in saving a life while doing their mission in Tripoli.
It means they have an extremely detailed aerial map of the area to base planning off of when combined with the real time images from the drone.
I never once suggested this.
So what was all that about satellites?
Hence remains my curiosity of what you would suggest the proper course of action should have been in light of a mortar attack.
Magiver is not willing to discuss the seventh hour 11 minute, five shot mortar barrage that came three hours after a lull in the fighting. A CIA surveillance drone was watching for formations of attackers but they did not see the launch sites of the mortars.
Not discussing the means by which Woods a Dougherty were killed makes whatever ‘blind-to-mortar-attack’ rescue or reinforcement attempt to be unnecessary and no need to risk more lives.
The defense against incoming artillery had to be physically constructed prior to the attack unless they have developed some comic book bubble shield that can be quickly dropped over people who are in danger of mortar attack.
I don’t think real life has that yet but Magiver continues with an awkward and unreasonable argument that ground troops should have been sent in to possibly take the mortar fire too.
Had US Special Forces been sent in and some killed by mortar rounds then I wonder what the reaction would be by some to that? It could be why didnt Obama wait to allow the CIA and Libyans get their huge convoy of trucks and security teams into place before putting afew US ground troops in harms way.
Who’s doing the extracting, and how?
You referenced a special forces commander being told to stand down, and being furious about it. That was supposedly Lt. Col. Gibson, who commanded a four-man team at the embassy in Tripoli. Why bring that up if you don’t think that team should have been deployed?
leave.
Yeah, I got that, but how and to where? Doesn’t that sort of evacuation call for armored vehicles, lest you start your extraction and come under renewed gunfire and/or IEDs? How much armored equipment do you think can actually be deployed by air into another country’s territory on short notice?
So, by whatever means, I’ll generously grant 30 heavily-armed Seals or Rangers or Delta Force personnel or whatever arrive on scene by parachute or helicopter-rappel, safely and without incident, within one hour of the start of the attack and having discussed various plans on route. Your proposed plan is “leave”. If we knew for sure that there weren’t ambushes set up on the likely evacuation routes, heck, maybe the 60 or so people could have jogged to some unspecified safe house or driven out in embassy vehicles or taken taxicabs or whatever.
Geez I dunno, if only there were people trained to deal with this kind of thing.
There are, and they did.
Cite? The big O seems a bit short on the details.
According to this timeline, the attack started around 9:00 p.m., security reinforcements were on the scene about 1:00 a.m., and all the Americans were out of the city about twelve hours after the first shots fired. Those who were trained to deal with it, did.
Now, you may not like how they dealt with it, but you haven’t presented much of a case that a better outcome was possible. And it’s disingenuous for you to say “the experts can do it” after spending the whole thread second guessing what the experts actually did.
We know the postmortem timeline of events. I asked you for a cite regarding the decision process.
I said there were people who were trained to deal with this (and did), you asked for a cite, so I posted one showing how it was dealt with. What’s the problem?
Why should we provide cites for things we’ve already cited when you can’t find a good cite for any of the action movie fantasy things you’ve posted so far?