A team from Tripoli flying to Benghazi and heading to the CIA annex, and a column of Libyan vehicles arriving to extract everyone, probably didn’t happen by coincidence.
so, no cite.
So again, no cite. You have no cite regarding the decisions from the WH. Nothing was done for the people who died. You’ve been arguing over this for pages saying it was the right decision. Cite the decision.
Er, that’s not what you asked for. Remember?
How? It is obvious that there weren’t enough armored vehicles to get thirty Americans out safely. So leaving in light trucks was too risky.
So maybe Romney could have won if all thirty Anericans were killed in an ambush.
And here it is. You’re not arguing the events. you’re arguing politics.
You’re the one claiming that the White House “left them to die.” You’re the one who needs to provide a cite and proof of your claim.
So far, all you’ve got is “They were lying.” You’ve never established this in any concrete way or provided evidence. The fact that they are a Secretary of Defense and Generals, and you’re a civilian flight scheduler, isn’t making your claims any more credible.
You have no cite, no evidence, nothing but raw contrarianism. “That’s what they said, but they’re liars.” What constitutes truth in a world when any claim can be dismissed?
I don’t see a rescue team from Europe? Where were they? somebody shut it down.
There is no evidence that a rescue team with a reasonable chance at success was available in such a short time.
The problem with having someone outnumbered around here is that they can ignore posts they don’t wish to reply to. Magiver, post #525, if you please.
What, you think they go on their own unless someone orders them not to?
The CIA folks who were working in Benghazi had to know that dangerous enemy’s were lurking there with heavy weapons such as mortar launchers and shoulder fired missiles. So the CIA must have people trained to predict some kind of attack such as what happened and have a place that could protect from such attacks or enough heavily armored vehicles to get out quickly when such an attack takes place.
Why is the CIA not the focus of Magiver’s criticism?
I can’t even tell what Magiver’s issue is any more, beyond a vague “They shoulda done it better/different”.
What was done for the victims of the attack has been cited at least two dozen times in this thread. NotfooledbyW has addressed this on probably every page of this thread so far.
Seriously, I ask you, what is the point of providing you cite upon cite if you systematically ignore them? Why are you asking for cites when I’m pretty confident that you know that you will ignore them again, and again, and again, just as been the case over and over so far in this debate?
Cite the shut down and what was shut down.
You didn’t see the calm in the fighting after 1:00 pm and that the Libyans provided the best means of extracting the Americans with a heavily armored convoy.
We cannot help that you cannot see what actually happened in favor of wanting to see something that was not necessary to happen because the fighting had just about stopped and the issue was lack of safe transport vehicles.
No you are politically promoting an alternate to the events that provides no solution to the lack of armored extraction vehicles to get all thirty Americans out safely. What is your political motivation behind the unrealistic soeculative scenarios you are making?
You don’t address the mortars or that the CIA should be big boys and plan an escape from an urban environment the size if Toledo in a post revolution country where heavy weapons abound in the hands of who knows what.
I didnt know the CIA needs a daddy president to tell them what to do or how to prepare for every possible hostile act.
Well, he’s working backwards from “Obama is inept.”
He really has no idea what his point is, he’s just floundering now.
I’ll admit, I thought that guided parachutes weren’t in use yet. If they are in common use for special ops (which I’d like to see a cite for) I’d say ignorance fought.
That said, so what? The divergence on that test is from 8 to 130m from the drop zone. So what, they’re gonna drop their vehicles into a soccer field then walk up to them, completely exposed? Again, it’s a terrible, childish idea.
I knew of guided parachutes, I didn’t think they were ready to deploy in the field. But that hardly makes your mission plan suddenly sane.
So what? That doesn’t make inserting soldiers into an active battle in a foreign city with no intelligence about number, position and make-up of the attackers a smart thing to do.
No one is saying that you couldn’t throw men and equipment on a plane and push them out over Benghazi. We’re saying it would be very stupid and likely get people killed.
To reiterate, experts call your type of ideas cartoonish. The onus is on you to show why America’s military minds are wrong and you are correct.
Actually, I get the impression Magiver takes the Clancy-esque view that the CIA and similar agencies should given a free hand and the tear-stained gratitude of the faggy civilian liberal pencil-pusher-types, once said faggy civilian liberal pencil-pusher-types get the fuck outta the way of real men trying to do their jobs of protecting America.
And like a fish, he doesn’t really feel pain and has a memory about 0.30 seconds long.