Nicknames given to enemy soldiers are rarely flattering or tasteful. Something about being shot at, I expect.
What, relatives and families both?
How many times do you think Acewiza has been shot at by Somalis?
I realize that. And I’ve seen the movie.
I also realize that, for example, when we talk of the Taliban on this site we don’t generally dub them sand niggers, towelheads, hajjis, habibs or whatever soldiers call them these days. This is not a barracks room out there in The Shit.
It isn’t one on your mama’s couch while you play combat games on her HD widescreen, either.
I’d guess zero, though he professes to be a veteran. 25,000 Americans participated in Operation Restore Hope, though, so it’s certainly possible.
Does that disqualify him from using the nickname? I don’t think so, but reasonable minds can disagree.
Yeah, too bad. A bit of imaginary scenario license there myself. But an appropriately-sized LZ densely packed with 20mm cannon fire is never a bad way to start an insertion with hostiles nearby. ![]()
Would you support an independent, non-partisan review of the entire attack? Is that what you’re seeking?
Although, given the outrageous military fantasies of those Dopers who desperately want Benghazi to be both Obama’s and Clinton’s downfall, they probably wish it were. There’s nothing that ferments the bloodthirst of the 131st Chairborne like imagining a military action where they would never be in any danger.
If only we had reasonable minds arguing the other side of this…
Term wrongly applied here. Fog of war is confusion about what is going on in an action. It does not mean sending troops to god-knows-where to do god-knows-what.
That is called stupidity.
Again you confuse your use of ‘deployment’, as in ‘deployed overseas’, which could just mean stationed, with actual deployment of troops. Getting them into position, all kitted up and ready for action.
Yes, you would have to only view it from a tactical viewpoint, because from a strategical one you ran away from Somalia.
Apparently you don’t quite grasp what a strawman argument is
You did not read the article. There were no gunships in that vicinity.
Besides WHO would have made that jump?
It has been made clear several times that the closest troops could only get there in a day.
The only thing that possibly could have been used were F-16’s stationed in Italy.
Apart from the fact that these do exist, he was ridiculing Magivers scenario there.
Fair point, though “skinnies” doesn’t strike my ear as being as inherently offensive as something like “sand niggers”. I suppose I just expect veterans to use such nicknames.
I’m just patiently waiting for explanation of what, exactly, a rapidly-deployed ground force would have achieved as far as saving American lives or advancing American interests. There’s still a tiny chance of a plausible answer, but I’m not holding my breath.
Call it what you will, it happens all the time. Didn’t our boy Jimah Cartah do it back in 1980? With plenty of time to plan, I might add? Yeah. The fog was made of sand that day.
I confuse nothing. Our Special Ops forces are deployed and ready 24/7 all over the globe, on call, ready to go. When the call comes, they go downrange. Transit times will vary, but they are always within reach. If you don’t get that, well, whatever. I’m not going to argue military terminology with an active civilian imagination.
So my statement was true and correct. Yours above, is irrelevant, unless you or yours has some strategic interest in that African shithole. Enlighten us, please.
Go back and re-read for comprehension.
Never said there were. Are the Beghazi apologists the only ones allowed to surmise a bit of role playing? ![]()
In reach of what? And how quickly? Are you by any chance able to take up Magiver’s argument and explain to me how US special operations forces could get “downrange” from Italy to Libya in two hours?
Follow you down that rabbit hole? Puhleez. My conclusion is clearly stated at the end of my first post in this thread. It should never have happened in the first place, and was easily preventable.
And didn’t that go swell…
The FAST team in Rota was not ready 24/7 it was ‘ready’ on a 24 hours notice. The other team, stationed in the US, that should have been on stand by 24/7 was on exercise in europe.
What is more relevant? That you got a higher ‘body count’, like in 'Nam?
Or that you lost, like in 'Nam?
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Well, in context, it sure looked like you were defending Magivers fantasies.
Not my rabbit hole, cap, it’s Magiver’s. Just hoping someone with your obvious military experience could finally answer that bizarro line of thought. I’ll assume it’s laid to bed, then.
Maybe a uTube video about baby killers?
Yeah, that should do the trick… ![]()
?? Is that supposed to be an argument of sorts or an attempt at humour??
For those interested, I found an article written by a Marine Corps infantry officer and special operator. Link. The author watched an anonymous person on Fox News say that a rescue team could have been flown in and save lives. In the words of this Marine, the anonymous source is a “clown,” and calls the idea of flying in troops not knowing the situation on the ground as “only-in-Hollywood orders.”