Bernie Sanders makes it official. How far will he go in 2020?

Did you say you want some more? Well, here’s some more.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-packs-schedule-with-campaign-stops-for-hillary-clinton-1475928002 The headline says it all, but you’ll need a WSJ subscription to actually read the story (damn capitalists).

ABC News:Bernie Sanders goes “all in” for Hillary Clinton.

And here’s one from USA Today.

Anyone who was paying attention knows that Sanders spent the fall of 2016 campaigning his ass off for Clinton. I’m not sure why you think people will be fooled by an assertion that’s so easy to fact check.

I have no idea why that rule was adopted. Every news story I have ever seen about it is careful to clarify in the first few paragraphs that the DNC claims it wasn’t directed at Bernie, which leaves me mystified as to what the reason for it might be.

But now that he has declared his candidacy officially, I’m sure the DNC will now step in to demand that he sign such a letter. Do please let us know when that happens.

Your assertion is he continued to damage her. Thats doing something, not “Not doing something”

You also implied its common knowledge.

But the first refuge of the biased is “Do your own damn homework”, so I’m not surprised.

:rolleyes: Did he or did he not continue to campaign, continuing to attack the party’s (not his party’s) nominee well after the issue was decided? Yes, he did. Did that damage her chances in November? Of fucking course.

Water is wet, too.

538’s take on him is ‘high floor, low ceiling.’ So it’s a question of whether getting 15-20% in most primaries through Super Tuesday leaves him among the contenders, or effectively weeds him out.

Don’t you think the whole shebang will be decided that day? Hint: California.

This seems right to me. I suspect his most plausible route to the nomination would look something like Trump’s in 2016, where he has only a minority of the vote but his supporters are unshakable, and thus he wins or finishes second repeatedly over a divided field that collectively gets more votes than him but never coalesces around a single opponent.

You can’t compare the Dem v Rep primaries’ pathways to victory. The Dems are all proportional and the bulk of Reps are winner take all.

Fortunately, though, the Democratic primaries are run differently and more, well, democratically, than the Republican ones. Delegates are allotted proportionally rather than winner-take-all, so if you get 30% of the votes, even if you come in first in every State, you’re not going to get more than about 30% of the delegates. If nobody wins a majority, it will have to be hashed out at the convention.

ETA: or, what CarnalK said.

I get that, but if he finishes first in every state then he’s gonna be the nominee even without a pure delegate majority walking into the convention. There are clearly major differences between the Democratic and Republican primary approaches, but I don’t really think that party unity could survive disregarding consistent victories like that. Whether Bernie can accomplish that sort of feat at the end of the day, I have my doubts, but it could happen I guess.

Sanders is anti-GMO and anti-nuclear power, which means he is anti-science. He needs to go away.

The Sanders vitriol in these quarters is Ben Shapiro level. Except more hateful

Well, I’d vote for Bernie.

Trump–and I’ll work to see him elected through volunteer work and donations if that can in any way hurt Bernie’s campaign.

It’s very sad that you feel this way. Bernie’s northern-European/Canadian-style socialism is a much, much lesser threat to America than the promotion of hate and white supremacism that Trump represents. The latter has always been, and still is, by far the greatest threat to America and Americans.

These are specific criticisms of Sanders: that he supported the idea that the election had been rigged by the DNC against him, and that he stayed in the race after it was clear he had no mathematical chance of winning.

On the “rigged” accusation: though he later did make appearances and tweet in support of Clinton, it’s also true that when the topic of the DNC rigging things against him came up (in connection with accusations by Donna Brazile that it was rigged), he did NOT say it wasn’t true:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/08/sanders_on_brazile__dnc_its_time_to_go_forward_not_to_look_backwards.html

So despite whatever else he may have said or done later, Sanders had a clear opportunity to say ‘no, the election was not rigged against me’----and he chose not to take it. It’s fair to criticize him for that choice.

Two more specific charges against Sanders. Note that these are not personal insults—they are observations about positions Sanders holds.

And those specific observations are here labeled “vitriol.”

That’s unjustified. It violates the definition of “vitriol.”

…For the next twenty-one months, feelings are going to run high. I hope we can all remember that forces hoping to keep Trump and Trumpism in power will be doing everything possible to get us to do things such as label specific observations about policy positions as “vitriol” and worse. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we thwarted those efforts?

My 19yo son contributed $27 within minutes of Bernie’s announcement, and agreed to automatically contribute $6.60 a month (suggested by the site—presumably an A/B tested ask based on his being a teenage college student?). I have several FB friends who gave a lot more. They held back from Warren, and her money has come in at a relative trickle.

I think Bernie has some juice. I want almost anyone else as nominee, but I have to acknowledge him as a formidable contender.

People who actively want Bernie Sanders to be the Democratic nominee-
Do you think he can beat Trump when it’s all on the table?

Yes, he has the best chance of beating Trump among the major Democratic candidates along with Biden.

So just like Hillary Clinton in 2008.